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Dj Esi
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 Posted - 2006/07/18 : 16:55:56
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
Esi, if you want that, why dont you just move to USA, where you have no freedom
what you mean no freedom ?
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Kyle_Buffrey
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Posted - 2006/07/18 : 22:30:36
With the rise of high speed connections, it is easier to break the law but also eaier to stay legal. Don't have decks? They produce it as a MP3 you can buy from the label. I'm tempted to buy a pair of cheapo cd decks and go down this route.
When I started mixing, tunes were accessible to me, more so than the general cd buying public, because it was vinyl only. It gave me a great buzz, knowing that I had tracks, that the cd only person couldn't buy.
Now there are MP3 exclusive tracks!
It's not really about P2P programs is it? You usually get a distorted rip, probably nicked off a bonkers cd, with half the previous track still included.
Buy a legal MP3, you get 128kbps minimum bitrate (a bit shoddy, but ok for listening too!) going up to 320kbps (really crisp sound). And I 've heard that some producers' mp3 records are coming clean straight from the mixing desk, therefore no quality loss from ripping from the vinyl or anything. You might as well spend the occassional £1 or so per track.
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jenks
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Posted - 2006/07/19 : 04:03:41
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Originally posted by Dj Esi:
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
Esi, if you want that, why dont you just move to USA, where you have no freedom
what you mean no freedom ?
It's the opposite of having freedom 
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2006/07/19 : 09:30:09
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Originally posted by Dj Esi:
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
Esi, if you want that, why dont you just move to USA, where you have no freedom
what you mean no freedom ?
No freedom to get away with stealing...
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Originally posted by bemaniraver:
now does someone like Scott Brown who'll rip off entire tracks pay the original producer while he makes some cash on a blatant rip? Now if he does then this is to be totally disregarded...But i find it funny that a fair amount of hardcore is just a rip of a rip of a rip.
Apparently most of the big hardcore producers are paying royalties now, the cost of them is reduced as they have the vocals rerecorded with their own vocalist.
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XtarsiA
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Posted - 2006/07/19 : 12:17:04
totally off topic, but.. if there was a website..
with every album ever released, and every mp3...
u just pay monthly and u can play anything u like as much as u like. u just never get to keep it, but aslong as u pay the subsription, then u can always listen to it. even have "hours per month" and then so much extra if u go over
music on demand... + still let ppl buy copys of track for 50p even 25p a track...
for portable players and stuff.
then for those ppl that sign up with this website (producers and stuff) they get paid proportionatly to how much there stuff was listened to + any direct purchases...
make it easyer for ppl to find anything by paying rather than p2p/shareing...
anyone get my idea? lol
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Dj Esi
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Posted - 2006/07/19 : 18:41:25
think my idea is best search the ip adresses who share hardcore music and then get details form that and go giv them a bill :D
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Samination
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Posted - 2006/07/19 : 22:25:53
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Originally posted by Dj Esi:
think my idea is best search the ip adresses who share hardcore music and then get details form that and go giv them a bill :D
Oh great, you just raised my bill 10000%
anyways, what I meant earlier is, whats you're reason for being so pissed of on filesharing? are you a producer who's signed to a/released tracks on a label who is loosing money on it?
XtarsiA: sounds like a great idea, but one reason to why some don't like digital files are the quality. using highest quality (on Windows, WAV, which can be as big as 70MB for 6-7 minutes ( (seconds * 1411)/8 = filesize in kiloBytes ), and high speed Host in England is propably not very cheap
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Chris Goldfinger
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Posted - 2006/07/21 : 10:46:06
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
[high speed Host in England is propably not very cheap
Sky have just started work on upgrading the system, very soon they will be offering 16meg connection unlimited for £10 a month for all there digital customers, you aint gonna get cheaper than that!!
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Dj Esi
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Posted - 2006/07/30 : 23:57:24
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
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Originally posted by Dj Esi:
think my idea is best search the ip adresses who share hardcore music and then get details form that and go giv them a bill :D
Oh great, you just raised my bill 10000%
anyways, what I meant earlier is, whats you're reason for being so pissed of on filesharing? are you a producer who's signed to a/released tracks on a label who is loosing money on it?
artist spend ages on tracks lots of hardwork and effort go into them and they deserve the credit for it and the profit in return yeh i admit i may download the odd track now and then to see what and album is like then 90% of the time i buy the album artists are being robbed of their music if no one buys their songs they dont make any money to pay for equiptment bills artist dont wrk in asda as a second job ... i dont think so anyway so money they make on tracks is their main income without it their bankcrupt and would have to follow a new career
*cry* Is hardcore going to die? or fade out *cry*
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HC-NIX
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Posted - 2006/07/31 : 16:27:31
I don't own a pair of decks and too be honest I don't want to, I do however own a pair of cdj's. Yes I know a few of you will be cursing me right now you vinyl junkies! I have nothing against vinyl it just doesn’t appeal to me it’s too expensive and takes up too much room, yes the sound quality can be better than downloads but this is something that will be sorted out and truth be told technology is moving on and cd decks are looking more and more like the way forward, they have more features, great effects and really are just clever machines. I expect some of you would have noticed that some of the big Hardcore DJ's are also using CDJ's and I’m sure I wouldn’t be wrong in thinking that the reason CDJ’s were invented was down to top DJ’s like them wanting to enhance the clubbers experience.
Anyway keeping to the subject in-hand I am fully happy to support ‘PAID’ I believe the artist deserves to be paid for his or her work and after all they need to live too. I obviously believe digital is the way forward as downloads are a way of keeping up with the latest tunes, it’s quicker to get hold of tracks and is simply more convenient but in order to save the dance scene from losing money I believe downloading from legal sites needs to be improved especially in the hardcore genre there are simply are not enough choice of tracks (unless I haven’t found the right sites yet- can anyone help?) and I believe because of this, this is another reason why people go to illegal download sites
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2006/07/31 : 16:42:41
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Originally posted by HC-NIX:
I believe downloading from legal sites needs to be improved especially in the hardcore genre there are simply are not enough choice of tracks
(unless I haven’t found the right sites yet- can anyone help?)
http://shop.happyhardcore.com
http://www.uk-vinyl.co.uk
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Mortis
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Posted - 2006/07/31 : 20:23:02
Quoted from Hixxy on the htid forums:
The mp3 store is finished but won’t be up and running now until the next batch are released on 12” over the next few weeks.
Also………..I always get asked about illegal down loads and how I feel about them but, in all honesty I don’t really mind about a little bit of file sharing because I think it’s a great way of spreading the music onto people like back in the day with the old tapes being passed out to your mates recorded and passed on. If they like what they hear most of these people will eventually purchase an album, records or go to an event & I’m sure in some way that person will then get involved with and help contribute to the maintenance of the scene.
I do personally want to stop the people who sell pirated downloads or ripped to cd/dvd’s of full catalogues on ebay and also stop sites that you have to pay a fee to join and download as much as you like. Why should someone earn anything from other peoples hard work when they are doing absolutely fook all !!!
I am very fortunate to have made this my profession and I know how lucky I am to be able to concentrate on hardcore full time but, even if there was no financial gain in this scene I would still be making and playing hardcore like I did through out 98,99 and part of 2000 when the hardcore scene was financially on it’s arse. However, back then I couldn’t commit as much time as I would of liked to the producing hardcore because like others I still had to make a living somehow & I personally think because of some of the blatant down loading/bootlegging that is going on then Some dj’s/producers/labels are going to start being effected and will soon be going through the same scenario that some people and labels had to deal with back in 97-2000.
Nobody will ever have the power to stop every pirated or illegal down load & I certainly don’t want too because I do believe that this scene and others like it spread, grow and regenerate themselves via the music getting spread around via one medium or another. I don’t really like the blatant down loads of full catalogues and the selling of pirate cd’s/dvd’s though and hopefully with support from everyone we will stamp out some of the deliberate piracy that may otherwise cause some dj’s/producers or labels to start leaving or even stop some of the future breed from committing to this scene full time because they just can not survive from just doing hardcore.
Hope this answers a few questions on from my side of down loads and why I have signed Raverbaby upto P.A.I.D
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Samination
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Posted - 2006/07/31 : 20:54:08
Holy shit, i thought Hixxy to be a full-on "death to filesharer" kind of bloke, like Scott Brown :P, but his opinions are just like DJ UFO's in the old HHC interview
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Jax
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Posted - 2006/07/31 : 20:59:45
that post by hixxy is absolutly bang on
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Dj Esi
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Posted - 2006/08/01 : 19:17:04
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
Holy shit, i thought Hixxy to be a full-on "death to filesharer" kind of bloke, like Scott Brown :P, but his opinions are just like DJ UFO's in the old HHC interview
yeh i noticed that
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