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DarrenJ
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 Posted - 2006/07/13 : 21:08:42
I dont think it will work, sadly.. wrote a huge rant but I think the brisk qoute on this thread sums it up
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2006/07/13 : 22:46:29
PAID is a good idea and I hope it has an effect and yeh, Brisk said it all....
....but will it be the death of Hardcore? I don't think so.
If the people that make a living from producing Hardcore stop producing because it no longer pays,
those that love Hardcore will listen to whatever is still available.
Where will this available Hardcore come from?
....the producers that do it anyway, because they love producing it.
So, Hardcore won't die.
It may not be up to the high production standards that we now take for granted
but that didn't make the early days of Hardcore bad. (and there was little or no money in it back then either)
Of course, you won't be able to walk into Woolworths and buy a pretty CD but you'll be able to download it for little or
*edit* (just in case someone else chooses to misunderstand)
if the pirates can't be stopped ....nothing.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2006/07/13 : 23:15:15
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/07/13 : 23:59:25
Mind the gap!
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NeXuS
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Posted - 2006/07/14 : 01:48:40
this board is probably the most sane on out there...
thanks you guys for not being idiots ^^
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2006/07/14 : 15:56:15
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Originally posted by Underloop:
Mind the gap!
....and if this site is as sane as NeXuS says, well...., I'm glad I don't bother with the others.
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deejaybee
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Posted - 2006/07/14 : 16:39:32
Sorry Ionosphere but I totally disagree with everything you have just said.
I admit that just becuase the bigger players in the scene leave, it doesnt
mean that people will stop producing but at the same time you have to
remember (and I mean this with 100% respect) young producers such as
yourself (and myself) havent got enough recognition and pulling power to
continue with a scene.
If Brisk, Dougal, Sy, Hixxy, Breeze etc all decided they couldnt afford to make
hardcore, then pretty much the scene would be on its ass... noone to go to
raves, noone to release music and noone to promote it in the way only they
can.
Sure, you would be happy making music in your bedroom, im sure it would
be great... i even expect that the 50 people on an internet forum that hear
it would hail it as the beginning of a new hardcore genre... but sadly I fear
it would be all for a loss.
Now I dont wanna piss on anyones bombfire here but I love the scene at the
moment, I remember it when it was on its ass last time, it sucked ass and the
one thing that kept me going was the chance that one day I might be the one
playing Slammin, HTID, Uproar etc... if all the producers dry up and stop
making hardcore, then all of that goes.
Lets sum it up, what happens if all 'top teir' support dissapears...
- No Compilations
- No Large Scale Raves
- No Large Labels
- No Ravers
- No Financial Backing
Sorry mate, but im past the point where im content with a few people on an
internet forum telling me my tunes are good, I wanna hear them played at
the big events and hear my heros from the past caining them as well...
It doesnt mean im in it for the money, I gew from love of this scene just like
the rest of you but over time I have matured and now I want more, its only
natural.
its pretty shocking that you as a producer, just starting to come through the
ranks would not support a worthy cause such as this.
Some arguments I have read say "oh what can you do, you can never stop
them all" ... P-A-I-D is raising awareness that this problem exists... and it
truely does...
I speak to many of the so say 'top teir' on a weekly basis due to gigs and
studio commitments and I stress, this problem is now at breaking point...
its no longer an if or maybe situation, if something doesnt change then there
is no way these people can afford to carry on.
If you like hardcore, and you want it to continue, now is the time to show
support not give your half ass excuses to why you dont want to pay for
hardcore....
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2006/07/14 : 18:12:13
quote:
Originally posted by deejaybee:
Sorry Ionosphere but I totally disagree with everything you have just said.
....young producers such as yourself....
"young producers". You are far too kind mate.
We started out back in about 1990/91 by putting on, and DJing at, our own raves.
Our first release, on vinyl, was in 1992 when we were young producers.
Our last release, on vinyl, was in 1996 at which point we sort of stopped bothering. Jobs, women, life in general. A dilution of focus.
We never stopped making music, just didn't have the.... ambition to push ourselves.
We still do it because we love it, not because we want fame and fortune.
I think that you've failed to understand my original point.
We fully support PAID. and wish it success.
but
In the begining there were no big names. We were there, I remember it well.
There were no big commercial raves, just small or illegal ones.
If the pirates win, and we hope that they don't, and if the big names leave, and if the big raves close, etc etc etc,
Hardcore, imo, will revert to it's origins.
That's all I'm saying
and to clarify the point that is why I posted this -
(some further 'Ionosphere' information here - http://www.rolldabeats.com/artist/ionosphere)
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Cotts
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Posted - 2006/07/15 : 08:10:00
This thread really will go back and forth.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is really hard to change people that are set in their ways. Especially on something as informal as the internet.
I personally love hardcore and do buy the tunes that I love the most, vinyl is expensive to buy but IMO download really is a great service and for what it is, is quite cheap.
At the end of the day, people will still pirate and some will buy the music. No matter what happens here things will still stay at the same level. I will continue to love hardcore and I can only do my part to keep it alive, i just hope others follow.
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DJBrownout
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Posted - 2006/07/15 : 08:15:28
quote:
Originally posted by Cotts:
This thread really will go back and forth.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is really hard to change people that are set in their ways. Especially on something as informal as the internet.
I personally love hardcore and do buy the tunes that I love the most, vinyl is expensive to buy but IMO download really is a great service and for what it is, is quite cheap.
At the end of the day, people will still pirate and some will buy the music. No matter what happens here things will still stay at the same level. I will continue to love hardcore and I can only do my part to keep it alive, i just hope others follow.
Ha, well said. Pretty much my thoughts too.
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Orbit1
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Posted - 2006/07/15 : 09:47:21
quote:
Originally posted by DJBrownout:
quote:
Originally posted by Cotts:
This thread really will go back and forth.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is really hard to change people that are set in their ways. Especially on something as informal as the internet.
I personally love hardcore and do buy the tunes that I love the most, vinyl is expensive to buy but IMO download really is a great service and for what it is, is quite cheap.
At the end of the day, people will still pirate and some will buy the music. No matter what happens here things will still stay at the same level. I will continue to love hardcore and I can only do my part to keep it alive, i just hope others follow.
Ha, well said. Pretty much my thoughts too.
Quoted for extra double truthaliscious goodness.
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Ionosphere
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Posted - 2006/07/16 : 04:12:46
'Digital watermarking' to detect audio piracy
By G. Anand
THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, INDIA. FEB 29 'O6
The Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) is developing an 'audio watermarking tool' designed to aid law enforcers in combating music piracy.
According to C-DAC officials, the software tool could be used to secretly 'embed' copyright information in digital audio products.
The embedded information would contain specifics about the copyright owner, the batch number of the product and usage restrictions of the digital content.
The hidden digital watermark does not alter the quality of the music content and is designed to be un-detectable to the human ear.
The C-DAC, which is the National Resource Centre for Cyber Forensic research under the Central Government, is also in the process of developing a cyber forensic software tool which would enable
the Police to check 'hidden' copyright information embedded in music CDs and cassettes using the audio water marking technique.
The digital watermarks are designed to be unalterable and could withstand file manipulations such as compression or conversion to cassettes.
"The watermark containing the copyright information would endure even if a song is copied from the original CD into a cassette or converted to MP-3 format.
It is easy for law enforcers to retrieve the watermark information by reconverting the cassette into digital format," a C-DAC scientist pointed out.
The information embedded in the 'audio watermark' would help law enforcers trace the source of the piracy.
"It would be easy for Police to find out from which original cassette or CD the pirated music was sourced.
They can also find which vendor had sold the original CD used for piracy.
This could perhaps lead the Police to the offender.
The technical evidence could be used in court to ensure conviction in music piracy cases," he said.
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eLASTIC
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Posted - 2006/07/16 : 04:22:34
I buy Hardcore but thats not to say ive never downloaded anything in the past lol.
I support PAID and think itll make a difference but not much, people will always download plainly cause they couldnt careless. The only people that would care are the people that are outv pocket and the people that love Hardcore with a passion. I think the people that currently dont really care will stay in that dont really care mentality.
But it is good to have a body to say that its not Public acceptable, its got to make a lil difference atleast. ; )
It is kinda slack for the people that depend on it fulltime.
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DJBrownout
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Posted - 2006/07/16 : 05:01:28
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
'Digital watermarking' to detect audio piracy
By G. Anand
THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, INDIA. FEB 29 'O6
The Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) is developing an 'audio watermarking tool' designed to aid law enforcers in combating music piracy.
According to C-DAC officials, the software tool could be used to secretly 'embed' copyright information in digital audio products.
The embedded information would contain specifics about the copyright owner, the batch number of the product and usage restrictions of the digital content.
The hidden digital watermark does not alter the quality of the music content and is designed to be un-detectable to the human ear.
The C-DAC, which is the National Resource Centre for Cyber Forensic research under the Central Government, is also in the process of developing a cyber forensic software tool which would enable
the Police to check 'hidden' copyright information embedded in music CDs and cassettes using the audio water marking technique.
The digital watermarks are designed to be unalterable and could withstand file manipulations such as compression or conversion to cassettes.
"The watermark containing the copyright information would endure even if a song is copied from the original CD into a cassette or converted to MP-3 format.
It is easy for law enforcers to retrieve the watermark information by reconverting the cassette into digital format," a C-DAC scientist pointed out.
The information embedded in the 'audio watermark' would help law enforcers trace the source of the piracy.
"It would be easy for Police to find out from which original cassette or CD the pirated music was sourced.
They can also find which vendor had sold the original CD used for piracy.
This could perhaps lead the Police to the offender.
The technical evidence could be used in court to ensure conviction in music piracy cases," he said.
that's some serious ninja sh it
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/07/16 : 09:43:00
quote:
Originally posted by Ionosphere:
'Digital watermarking' to detect audio piracy
By G. Anand
THIRUVANANTHAPURAM, INDIA. FEB 29 'O6
The Centre for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC) is developing an 'audio watermarking tool' designed to aid law enforcers in combating music piracy......
Could an sudio watermark like this be embedded in vinyl then? How would that hold up to being digitally recorded into mp3? I notice it mentions copying from digital to cassette, but can it go the other way round?
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