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jenks
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 Posted - 2006/07/11 : 20:43:47
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Originally posted by Chris Deeside:
if the only way u heard of hardcore was the net
then your not true hardcore
What a load of bollocks, what is he then, fake hardcore?
Not everyone has the friends to hear of hardcore through word of mouth or CD's and not everyone lives in areas where they are likely to pick up a flyer, does this mean they arn't allowed to be 'hardcore'
Everyone who is into the music has to hear of it somewhere and these days the internet is probably as good a place as any.
Sorry if I come across as a **** but hardcore 'elite-ists' piss me off...
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Chris Deeside
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 20:48:27
i blame clubland extreme hardcore
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Uproar
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 21:21:47
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There's no need to take the piss out of the Welsh members.  
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XenatR
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 22:01:42
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Originally posted by Chris Deeside:
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There's no need to take the piss out of the Welsh members.
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XtarsiA
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 23:09:41
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Originally posted by Chris Deeside:
if the only way u heard of hardcore was the net
then your not true hardcore
DUDE
NOOOOO!
doesent matter how u heard of it!
just how much u love it!
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silver
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 04:20:10
After posting this news a few major hardcore labels contacted me (i.e the biggest ones in the scene), one person in particular is fedup, they will stop hardcore and stop their label solely based on piracy and the arguments people use to justify piracy. They are all fedup, all of them, they are all pissed off, I have never seen artists like this before.
Vinyl sales don't break even 90% of the time, legal download are around 100 download for a good release and 30 for an average release, which is not enough money to cover doing music fulltime. I'm not trying to scare people here, this is what is happening right now, people are leaving hardcore right now because of the attitude of people and downloading.
To be honest I am quite concerned as a fan of hardcore.
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Samination
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 04:33:20
really... if so, how come Sparky, Cube::Hard and CDJay give out tracks for free?
they're about the only label managers (atleast CDJay is) that have ever dared to SPEAK in a PAID thread, especially after they started it on USH.net.
Let them register and let them speak for themselfs... and Piracy really cant be the largest problem (i'd rather blame Clublands CD's because they brought along the house/trance people who dont buy stuff)
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silver
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 05:02:55
What Sparky, Cube::Hard and CDJay do with their own tracks is their own business. I'm just reporting the facts. Just wait a little longer, see what happens, I'm just letting you know all the artists are pissed off and fedup.
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 10:04:21
"really... if so, how come Sparky, Cube::Hard and CDJay give out tracks for free?"
They may have given out some tracks for free but as you will know if you've read the Ush thread properly Sparky and CDJay have both been speaking their disgust about Piracy in the hardcore scene.
they're about the only label managers (atleast CDJay is) that have ever dared to SPEAK in a PAID thread, especially after they started it on USH.net.
Not everyone posts on internet forums! Besides people running the bigger labels would have very little time to spare to have petty little arguments with people who think they can justify stealing from them.
Let them register and let them speak for themselves... and Piracy really cant be the largest problem
See above. Sure Piracy isn't the only problem but it's definitely one of the problems... You could say blad de bla bla it's the "crap" releases, but what makes you think a "good" release wouldn't get shared as much or even more?
i'd rather blame Clublands CD's because they brought along the house/trance people who dont buy stuff
I'd like to know how you can justify that when it's the best selling hardcore album since the revival. An album that gets new people into the scene can only boost sales surely? Sure it's a pretty bad compilation in my opinion and obviously yours too but you can hardly blame it for causing piracy.
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Chris Goldfinger
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 10:20:19
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
i'd rather blame Clublands CD's because they brought along the house/trance people who dont buy stuff
I'd like to know how you can justify that when it's the best selling hardcore album since the revival. An album that gets new people into the scene can only boost sales surely? Sure it's a pretty bad compilation in my opinion and obviously yours too but you can hardly blame it for causing piracy.
Exactly mate the CD is crap but surley it has increased sales and revenue for all the artists involved
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 10:37:52
I know enough house and trance heads to know that stereotyping them as "not buying stuff" types is totally wrong. Its like saying all ravers are druggies, all moshers are devil worshippers etc etc. Of the house and trance fans I know, they love their scene as much as we love ours, and they ALWAYS buy their stuff (except the chosen few who get their promos sent for free heh).
If you did a poll I reckon you would find as many trance heads download as do ravers. The majority of downloaders are the younger generations. More often than not they haven't settled in one particular scene yet, they tend to follow the majority - which at the moment is pointing more towards Hardcore (dare I say it?) and away from over publicised house and trance (at least for the younger generations).
Which brings me round to thinking about ways that instead of targeting P2P and blowing it off the face of the planet, how can P2P be used to an advantage, and turned round from the grab and run scenario that it currently is, into some sort of happy medium - aiming it at the younger crowd. It isn't going to go away, copying has gone on since the days of cassette recorders, its just easier these days. Instead of bickering about how bad piracy is (or how good some of you seem to be saying :-S ) how about some ideas about what can be done about it.
Obvious choices are to lower prices, but to my mind this won't do jack. Prices are already low enough. The format argument is a nonsense, and more and more labels are doing digital downloads legally. Do you think CDJay and Sparky have a good idea in offering free downloads?
Is it a better idea to take a harder stance against piracy. Hollywood seems to like the idea of poisoning *******s for films so that after 24 hours of download you end u with a corrupt file - thats one option (at least for *******s). Naming and shaming is another, but do people care? Would they care if they got an email from Scott Brown calling them an anchor for downloading? (shock tactics).
Any more ideas?
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The Deviant
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 11:01:25
We all know that piracy is wrong and most of us here choose to buy our music in whatever medium suits us best, but sharing music will happen and to a small extent it's only fair that we do. Anyone remember dubbing tapes from school friends, or the last time you borrowed a CD and thought you would rip a few tracks. I think in situations like that, it is fair. But thats not what were talking about right?
This blatent uploading to the net for all to download is just wrong. I would like to hear what PAID are actually going to do about this, and see if that would lead to a more unified discussion of how it can be stoped, and it really does need to be stoped!
If you take a look in the Music production & Gear talk forum you'll see a post from VAGABOND offering his production skills for hire, and this is showing that music sales can't be great for him to need extra work. I would hate to see an artist like him have to give up music full time because he couldn't make it pay.
I have chosen not to download music purley because of audio quality. Does anyone else think that mp3 is a step back, 192khz is just taking the piss. In this age of high speed DSL we should be able to download CD quality tracks. I don't think music downloads are good value for money, I'll use a store bought single an an example: A single may contain three or four tracks, obviously at CD quality and I'd get a phisical CD to stick on my shelf and it would cost me around £3.50. If I download two tacks for the same price I get alot less. The most important being lower quality audio, and then there's the possibility of loosing those if they don't make it into the latest harddisk backup. MP3 downloads are not for me right now, and what I have said above does not mean that I download music ilegally, It's my reason for buying it on CD.
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Chris B
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 12:05:14
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Originally posted by Chris Goldfinger:
I'll stick my hands up to downloading tunes!!!!
however i only download them to hear them, i've bought a few vinyl from various place
www.recess.nl
www.freaky.nl
www.chemical-records.co.uk
www.juno.co.uk
www.htfr.com
www.imorecords.com
these are the stores i normally use, and over the years i've bought a few s*it tunes thanks to them only giving you a 1 min or so preview of the track
so what i do now is download the track and if i lkie the tune i go and buy it if not a delete the tune
i know some of you will take a dim view of this but if i hadn't actally heard the full tune alot of the time i simply wouldn't have bought the vinyl, i've heard so many samples on the above mentioned sites and thought the tune was crap or not that good but on hearing the full tune i've relised that they have just recorded the s*it bit of the tune (ie the breakdown or cheesey vocals, keeping in mind i normally play hardstyle)
basically my point is if i couldn't download the tunes although i'd still be buying vinyl i don't think it would be anywhere the amount that i buy at present therefore it would be losing the artist money!!
I'm pretty similar i like to no what i'm buying, people send me the odd tune over msn also like bits of itaian and scouse for the pc.
At the moment i dont really "support" hardcore that much tbh, moved into a flat not long ago and aint had the time/money to rave every other week anymore or buy as many vinyl. Over the years the amount i've spent on tickets must be madness though.
And with vinyl i didnt stop buyin uk hardcore cos of downloads or cdjays (dont have one), it's because i dont like the sound anymore. It changed as things do and now isnt what i like at all, and for all the new people getting into hardcore i no a lot of people who used to plough a lot of money into vinyl have now gone off it now.
Still buy a couple bits from all-4-1 cos it's music i like, and odd bit of hardcore techno/speedcore from abroad.
But mainly now i like old tunes so even when i buy vinyl no money goes to supporting artists.
I just buy what i like best with what i can afford, if people make tunes i like they'll get my money.
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Chris Goldfinger
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 12:09:14
@ the deviant
about the 192Kbps, I know of plenty of sites that are for the nzb files for usenet and the majority of albums on it are lossless (400mb for 1 disc) so i don't see the quality as a deterent as i'm quite sure no one would be able to tell the difference between that and an original copy.
@ underloop
I totally agree with what you said about trance and house heads, i own so much more house and trance vinyls than hardcore. Most of the people i know either play house, trance or techno (very little people in my area listen to hardcore) and the lot of them are as bad as me when it comes to spend our hard earned cash on records ie we blow our wages on our addiction quite often
Also discussed in this thread is the option of closing down p2p networks, imo you would have to be nieve if you honestly believe this is a viable option. If one got took down how long do you think it would be before another poped up.
Its all down to supply and demand, as long as theres demand for p2p there will alwats be a choice of them available and there ain't nothing PAID or the RIAA is going to be able to do about it
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Chris Deeside
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Posted - 2006/07/12 : 13:13:37
let me guess..the 1 dj inparticular whos kickin off is... scott brown???
he seems a bit of an arrogant twat anyway so it doesent suprise me... its not just hardcore where vinyl sales are fallin..its all over different genres aswell. its to do with cd decks an up to now there wernt anywere ya cud buy cd's or download legal mp3s , theyve only recently popped up. cd's r slowly overtakin vinyl.
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