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Samination
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 Posted - 2006/07/11 : 14:54:53
buying Hardcore Junkieee 2 from Japan was a pain in the arse :P package and sending costs 130% more than the CD itself :P
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Phobz
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 15:18:32
Don't want to sound funny but I don't get it, I mean how will you go about bringing sites down, people etc who are doing this? Will it be like petitions or something? Confused lol I like the pic samus Mwhahaagh :P
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 15:34:39
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Originally posted by Phobz:
Don't want to sound funny but I don't get it, I mean how will you go about bringing sites down, people etc who are doing this? Will it be like petitions or something? Confused lol I like the pic samus Mwhahaagh :P
I might be wrong but from what I can gather they're talking about the forum sites that you have to of posted on x amount of times to be able to download/upload tracks... I guess these would be very easy to get shut down for legal reasons unlike the big P2P networks. Maybe they're trying to shut down the big P2P ones as well but I can't see that being a very realistic target.
They're also trying to raise awareness about the damage caused by illegal downloads.
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Samination
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 16:40:15
about P2P
[edited]: Good luck trying to close down this, anyways... They could try to shut down the individual 'hubs' that are specified to share Hardcore.
Bit Tor-rent: Just as mentioned above, usually most Hardcore BT-trackers are private, or are released on bigger tracker site like [edited].
File Transfer throu Websites: I wonder if PAID have noticed [edited] about this, because THEY'RE alot larger than [edited] BT-tracker ever was, but they dont share any of the files, people use upload sites for that, but then [edited] never did share it, they just linked it (thats how Bit Tor-rent works bitches).
FTP: Generally people who download hardcore are to dumb to use this... :P
[Mod Edit: Site names edited - no point in making it too easy for people looking for places to download ;-)]
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Edited by - Underloop on 2006/07/11 19:35:02 |
NeXuS
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 18:26:46
the best weapon again filesharing is information. And by making creating 'PAID' is a step in the right direction.
informing and teaching people how filesharing can kill a scene they love so much is the best deterent you can have.
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1up
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 18:39:54
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
haha, this is defo not a USH net thread. cause then there would be someone bashed, but then, compaired to USH, if I wanted to confess that I share hardcore, my post/username would be deleted/banned... (I hate it when MOds to that just to make the site look 'clean'...)
I wont lie, I'm a pirate, but my "activity" has gone down alot since I started to buy Hardcore (Vinyl/CD, and especially MP3/Digital)
fessing up to d/l~ing good on ya!
me! well i used to d/l my music (mainly the crappy tranceness) and this activity has stopped when i developed taste for real music, thus realising music cannot be d/l'ed but bought<- that didnt make sense did it? 
ill be honest. il scab some music, but only from those who are just promoting themselves.
all else is bought legally, cd's and legal download.
hardcore is too hard to find on the net anyway! i cant find squat, so im resorted to going to the music store and ordering my music. all the good stuff is on cd's anyway, and it feels mighty fine, buying a copy of "hardcore heaven" and knowing the money goes to the good folks making the music themselves.
support PAID they deserve thier money! money lets them know we love them and that theyll continue to make beaut music for us!
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Chris Deeside
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 19:10:24
things like this do me tits in
they say DONT DOWNLOAD VINYL RIPS BLAH BLAH
but what about the people without vinyl decks who download??? they wouldnt be buyin the tune anyway so stop ****in moanin
an only recently av loads of "legal mp3" places popped up
wish they'd jus shut the **** up an stick there dummys back in.
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Chris Deeside
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 19:12:29
an also
i bet some producers dont pay the royalties on samples/pellas theyve used, unless there original obv
there tryin to eradicate piracy, which isnt gona happen... there jus goin round in big circles
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XtarsiA
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 19:30:54
as for sampleing, i personally dont think its really that bad.
illigitimate remixes are another thing, but sampleing, the final tracks are sooo different from what was sampled i dont think copy rights should be held as tight as they are.
just restricting creativity.
as for shutting down BT sites, well, its not hard to find them... even the BT search engines, will give u the tracker addresses very very quickly.
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Samination
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 19:31:27
in most cases, like most of those who go to HTID propably dont know what Vinyl really is :P
anywyas, like you said Chris.
The piss down the filesharing and scream KEEP VINYL ALIVE.. but some of them dont have a deck, but still thinks this way
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XenatR
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 19:53:23
ive downloaded illegal music.. but thats what got me into the scene
without illegal mp3 (p2p), i wouldnt know/have heard uk hardcore, and now i have, and am into it, i will buy the cds.. i mean, just today i spent £41.97 on 3 cds @ hmv..
i think there is a happy medium. illegal mp3 downloading CAN be beneficial (as in my example), just aslong as the person realises that in doing so, he can destroy the scene he 'loves'
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Underloop
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 20:07:18
You can get a cheap ass record player for about £40 (non DJ oriented naturally, but of course the people downloading the mp3s aren't going to play them out of course are they ;-) ).
Using that argument I might as well not have bothered buying a hi-fi or decks and then I could morally download my tunes and save myself a few hundred smackeroonies before I even started not paying for my tunes.
Whilst you do have a valid argument about sampling, there is an equally valid argument in its defence - the money created from the royalties decided upon in the case of the smaller releases is so small that its often not worth the hassle of sorting it out (from either side). Note, I am only talking about smaller releases here. Alot of the larger releases actually get samples cleared, or else more often than not have the vocals resung in order to reduce royalties paid.
Illegal sampling has also created some of the most fantastic releases in history over the past 20 years or so. Without it hip hop wouldn't have happened, the rave scene in general wouldn't be around. House and Garage would be totally different, as would breaks. Imagine a world without the Amen break! Illegal sampling has shaped the music we listen to today, and without it we wouldn't be here discussing this issue, we'd all be at home listening to the Spice Girls. How has piracy made the music industry a better place? Has it made the music better? Has it brought more people into clubs - judging by the figures round my area thats a definite no! Its exposed a few lesser known groups, but they have mostly been the ones offering free downloads rather than bigger artists being downloaded illegally.
Its not so much that P2P needs to be banished from the face of the earth, but more that it needs to be looked at and needs to evolve into a format where the damaging aspects are erradicated and artists (note I say artists, not labels!) can use it to their advantage, and the advantage of the industry in general.
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Chris Deeside
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 20:08:15
if the only way u heard of hardcore was the net
then your not true hardcore
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Kawahara
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 20:12:30
quote:
Originally posted by XenatR:
i think there is a happy medium. illegal mp3 downloading CAN be beneficial (as in my example), just aslong as the person realises that in doing so, he can destroy the scene he 'loves'
I agree
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XenatR
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Posted - 2006/07/11 : 20:22:21
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Deeside:
if the only way u heard of hardcore was the net
then your not true hardcore
oh dear
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