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James D
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 Posted - 2002/11/25 : 03:40:04
nice one ppl.
i thought i was the only person thinkin mixmag r a set of c*nts.
talk bout hypocrites.
oh well, at least we got a wikkid cd out of it.
my mixmags now lining my bin
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Viv @ Mixmag
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 04:30:24
hi all
It's good to hear your feedback. I've got 2 points to raise:
1. Mixmag is a mainstream magazine that covers all genres of music (except hardcore which over the last 10 years Mixmag has ignored in favour of more 'trendy' types of dance music). Our job is to spot when genres become more exciting. For example, until a year or so ago I think d'n'b was pretty dull - now there are loads of great new tunes and clubs, so we're writing a lot more about that scene. Similarly, prog has been shown up for the dull anal-retentive scene it is (and I used to love prog). I noticed a while back that a lot of hard house clubbers were moving on to hardcore nights. Then I started listening to some of the music again and was impressed by how quality the productions were and that a lot of the cheesy elements of hardcore had gone. So I felt we should give hardcore some respect.
2. Mixmag has a long history and as I've been editing the mag for 6 months I can't be held responsible for the mag having ignored hardcore over the past 10 years. Now I'm editing the mag, I'd like to cover hardcore as seriously as any other genre we cover. If some of you like that, then good, if you don't, fair enough.
cheers all
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Gryff
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 04:44:10
Viv, whilst what you say may be true, in that you cover a lot of scenes etc, you cant deny you've given HHC shit in the past ( you havnt ignored it, just been negative ), and to the casual observer it looks like your just a bunch of scene whores ( you admit yourself you cover the *trendy* scenes ) , moving with whatever the fashion victims dictate is the best thing to listen to.
My $0.02 anyway.
The above was written from the point of view of a casual observer.
If you give Hardcore coverage month in, month out, then we may start taking you a little more seriously :-]
PS: My own opinion is that any coverage is good, as long as it doesnt turn hardcore into the latest trendy scene, unfortunately with the likes of flip & fill, scooter, and others producing pop-mixes, I can see just that happening.
PPS: You should look at scenes in a bit more depth as DnB etc. has been great for a long time.
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Viv @ Mixmag
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 05:06:33
since when are scooter and fpli and fill making hardcore trendy - they are turning it into cheesy pop just like IVD and ****ing Lasgo did to trance.
A far worse crime than anything Mixmag has done to hardcore if you ask me
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Soren
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 05:51:16
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Our job is to spot when genres become more exciting. So I felt we should give hardcore some respect.
I'd like to tell a little story about Jonny Football (Mixmag) and Ed the Geek (HHC Scene). Now Jonny went to high school with Ed, but Jonny thought he was way cooler than Ed cause Ed liked computers. And since Jonny was a lot bigger than Ed he also decided to beat the hell out of him everyday for the better part of their high school years. Now one day many years later Jonny is sitting back monitoring the progress of the new football team he bought and he thinks "Wow, wouldn't it be great if we had a website!" and he gets a great idea. He goes to Ed and says "Hi Ed! What's up, you wanna hang out tonight and make a website with me?". And Ed gets to say "Why sure, that'd be great!" or "No Jonny, you're a complete a-hole. Now fuk off and don't ever talk to me again".
You see what I'm saying? I really don't care what's popular or not. I've always like HHC and Mixmag has always bashed the hell out of it. Anyone remember that big cartoon they posted about why HHC is dead and insulting everyone that still listens too it? That was funny wasn't it.
It's not right to just whore yourself out to whatever is popular at the moment and then turn your back on it when something else gets more trendy. I'd greatly prefer Mixmag just stays the hell away from HHC and leave it to flourish as it has been despite everyone bashing it. It leaves the scene much more pure and nice.
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Then I started listening to some of the music again and was impressed by how quality the productions were and that a lot of the cheesy elements of hardcore had gone.So I felt we should give hardcore some respect.
IE: I noticed that HHC now sounds a lot more like trance, except its got way better production skills behind it and it has been completely overpublicized
and exploited yet. So I felt that we should start exploiting it cause there might be a whole big heap of cash for us to rake in if we do!
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Mixmag has a long history and as I've been editing the mag for 6 months I can't be held responsible for the mag having ignored hardcore over the past 10 years. If some of you like that, then good, if you don't, fair enough.
I don't blame you if you weren't the one printing all those lovely "HHC sucks nads and all the HHC kiddies are stupid little 12 year olds" articles. But Mixmag as a whole still is at fault. There's been no official appology, no oops we're a-holes story printed. And until Mixmag prints a big cover page explaining why they suck so much and appologizing deeply to the HHC scene I think all us "Candy covered moronic 12 year olds" should boycott Mixmag. Including the one with the HHC CD on it. Don't give them your money or your time.
It's like Braveheart, we shouldn't let ourselves be bought off with a few acres of land when the damn English (Mixmag) has been raping our lands and killing our people for the last 400 years. Lets pull out our swords and shove em down their throats. Send them back to where they came from and tell them not to come back our way, cause we don't want them. It's great that Mixmag feels that it can cash in on the HHC scene now, but why don't you go find some other scene that you haven't already tried to run into the ground and cash in on them instead.
Course that's just my opinion... :D
"Tell your commander to march to the center of a rave, put his head between his legs and kiss his on arse. Then we want you to march back through the scene, going to as many parties as you can find, and personally appolgize to all the HHC kids for 10 years of lies, insults, and stupidity."
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Edited by - Soren on 2002/11/25 06:05:31 |
number2301
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 07:33:52
Heh people might respect Mixmag a bit more if, when they decided a scene wasn't cool enough for it, it didn't savage it! Whats wrong with just saying you don't like a type of music? Oh sorry, that doesn't shift units does it?
And re the braveheart analogy, I think you'll find good old William Wallace was killed by the English in the end and we still to this day *rule* Scotland. ;)
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Soren
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 08:18:11
Yeah but it's good. Scotland is keeping it underground!
Plus Mixmag can't kill us, they can only slag us off some more. And I dun really mind that. Keep HHC on the down load. Or is it Goose Down? I forget?
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Viv @ Mixmag
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 08:26:27
it's extremely odd that you think that either being nice about or slagging off HHC will sell us loads of copies and make loads of cash. It just ain't true. I'm writing about the scene coz it's interesting. If we wanted to make money, I'd try to find a way of writing about Scooter or Flip and Fill
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Soren
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 09:12:34
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it's extremely odd that you think that either being nice about or slagging off HHC will sell us loads of copies and make loads of cash.
Why? Everyone here was saying stuff like "The new Mixmag has a great HHC CD on it! Go buy it NOW!". Don't you make money when you sell magazines? Yes I know you make a lot more from advertising, but showing that you can sell more mags gets you more advert money.
And it's 99% not about the money, it's about Mixmag slagging off HHC for a decade and then seeing that it's gotten "trendy" on jumping on without appologizing for past insults. It sucks that someone did a CD for you. It woulda been nice if everyone said no till you put a formal appology first. But I guess the almighty dollar talks and everything else be damned.
PS: Please don't take this personally. If you just got on board then all my slander isn't directed towards you. But I still think HHC deserves an appology. And I don't think Mixmag should say anything ever again about HHC because of their sorted past. And I think people should either completely boycot Mixmag or 1 person should buy it and then burn 1000's of copies of the CD for everyone that wants it so you guys don't get more dollars from the HHC crew.
"Course that's all just my opinion and I'm an idiot."
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Edited by - Soren on 2002/11/25 09:19:52 |
Nick of Blaze!
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 09:15:40
Has Smart E's been mentioned in all this yet? We're due for a slapping any day now.
I have to say, great thread!
"Then I started listening to some of the music again and was impressed by how quality the productions were and that a lot of the cheesy elements of hardcore had gone."
Just an aside Viv.... some hardcore is cheesey, some people in the scene like the cheeze, the last thing they want is to get rid of it. So please don't imply that hardcore has *improved* because the cheesiness has gone as it's a part of it. I'm not having a pop, just letting you know.
Production wise, again, this is relative to the fact that no record companies have ever invested any money in any hardcore act over the last 10 years. So it's a case of produce it in the bedroom, or a small semi pro studio, or don't produce it. The only reason productions have improved is because equipment has become more affordable, and more accessible on smaller "bedroom studio" budgets. D'n B is probably the same only there's been a few high profile producers which means more people are willing to invest in their scene. I don't blame record companies, they have to make money, that's the game, its a music *business*, however I personally find the quality of hardcore music is down to the talent of the producers without these budgets and the access to the wizardry but making what they've got work harder.
Cheers
Nick.
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Soren
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 09:37:01
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Has Smart E's been mentioned in all this yet? We're due for a slapping any day now.
Meh? Oldskool Smart E's or newer breakoff stuff?
"What you talking 'bout willis?"
PS: Anyone remember this and what Mixmag said about HHC. (And this is just one of many examples).
http://www.walruslabs.co.uk/mixmag-dec2000.jpg
"HHC the genre that's underground, 6 feet underground"
"Sloppily produced, touch and go, quick buck bootlegs" (Yeah, when did HHC make a buck exactly???)
"May people turn on their past and start playing proper music"
Heh... feck you Mixmag. Feck you very much. Anyone ever started a CD mailing tree thing? Lets do that for the Mixmag CD so HHC kids can stop spending $6 to support these tards :D
Wow, i'm feeling awfully militant today... I wonder why? Prob too much coffee...
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djtommyrenegade
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 Posted - 2002/11/25 : 10:44:02
Listen up, does anyone remember the acid house rivival about october last year? Do you also remember that MIXMAG brought out a cd with 'oldskool anthems' on it?
Now viv don't gimme the crap the you aren't cashing in on the ' new craze '
but believe me, YOU STINK!!!
Fair enough release a cd, would have been ok, IF YOU HADN'T SLAGGED US OFF!
But at the end of day, myself and may others have been true nutter from th beginning of hardcore, we have been slagged off for listening to are music, but words don't hurt, and whenever hardcore goes underground again, frankly GOOD, cos we can survive without publicity, we survived for nearly 10 years without it, so UP YOURS
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spunkie
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 20:24:01
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Originally posted by Viv @ Mixmag:
Now I'm editing the mag, I'd like to cover hardcore as seriously as any other genre we cover. If some of you like that, then good, if you don't, fair enough.
if this statement is true does that mean we will see hardcore reviews in the back of every issue of mixmag from here on out? right next to the hard house, dnb, trance, house, breaks, elctro, techno, chill out, garage, and urban sections... just a question, but if you are really going to take it that seriously i think it deserves its own section as well.
i agree with everybody else, i would really like to see a public apology from mixmag about all the times they poked fun at our scene.
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Nick of Blaze!
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 22:18:52
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Meh? Oldskool Smart E's or newer breakoff stuff?
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Newer stuff? If there's new Smart E's stuff going out no one told me about it, and I want my share! SHOW ME THE MONEY!
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James D
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Posted - 2002/11/25 : 22:21:52
just a couple of things....
1, u most certainly are jumpin on the bandwagon with this, the review for bonkers says it all really, yeh we get our cd, and some bull sh!t review 'brisk the derek trotter of hardcore'. wot the **** u talkin bout.
slating the bonkers album shows u arent interested in the music, just after a quick buck cos hardcore is 'comin back'
2, hardcore is/ was/ whatever cheesy. so there were cheesy songs about. this never stops u reviewin cheesy wanky flip and fill mixes, etc. half the songs u wirte bout r cheesy.
oh, and hardcore is now gettin some decent produced tunes??
it always ****in did.
im sure our scene doesnt need ur twofaced 'support'
James.
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