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arpz
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 Posted - 2017/12/10 : 12:21:42
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.
Heard the F&D remixes? :D
Not relevant.
It's not relevant asking a question about the remixes that exist on the remix CD that you're complaining about? Ok!
I will just say that you don't speak for me when you say that no one wanted a remix CD
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Elipton
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Posted - 2017/12/10 : 17:56:55
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.
Heard the F&D remixes? :D
Not relevant.
It's not relevant asking a question about the remixes that exist on the remix CD that you're complaining about? Ok!
I will just say that you don't speak for me when you say that no one wanted a remix CD
It's a Sharkey album. Quite frankly, I'd much rather have the original 'Today's the Day' than a remix. A load of Sharkey originals have had to make way for remixes that I wouldn't buy. It's disappointing that it feels like material is kept behind a ?100 ransom
Why isn't there more information available on the completionist version? Am I to gamble ?100 and hope I get tracks like Todays The Day?
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arpz
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Posted - 2017/12/10 : 20:09:39
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.
Heard the F&D remixes? :D
Not relevant.
It's not relevant asking a question about the remixes that exist on the remix CD that you're complaining about? Ok!
I will just say that you don't speak for me when you say that no one wanted a remix CD
It's a Sharkey album. Quite frankly, I'd much rather have the original 'Today's the Day' than a remix. A load of Sharkey originals have had to make way for remixes that I wouldn't buy. It's disappointing that it feels like material is kept behind a ?100 ransom
Why isn't there more information available on the completionist version? Am I to gamble ?100 and hope I get tracks like Todays The Day?
Yes. Or don't, and wait for the bundles after the fact.
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Impulse_Response
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Posted - 2017/12/10 : 20:16:24
I thought HU already stated somewhere that it is everything, except 1 or 2 releases they couldn't locate. If CDJay says it is everything, I have no doubt it is everything.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2017/12/10 : 20:49:45
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by arpz:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Don't think anyone wanted a Remix CD, and pretty sure most of CD3 has been released here and there anyway.
Heard the F&D remixes? :D
Not relevant.
It's not relevant asking a question about the remixes that exist on the remix CD that you're complaining about? Ok!
I will just say that you don't speak for me when you say that no one wanted a remix CD
It's a Sharkey album. Quite frankly, I'd much rather have the original 'Today's the Day' than a remix. A load of Sharkey originals have had to make way for remixes that I wouldn't buy. It's disappointing that it feels like material is kept behind a ?100 ransom
Why isn't there more information available on the completionist version? Am I to gamble ?100 and hope I get tracks like Todays The Day?
You know I?m pretty tight with my outlay at times but measured against wanting a few select tracks and not knowing what else to expect, I took the call to get the complete collection for the very reason of not having to worry about not getting what we want.
Would I pay the same for the vinylgroover back catalogue? Probably not because I don?t have that same level of yearning for a set of tracks. If that catalogue comes in at 50, I think it?s a deal. Ultimately people will pay what they think is fair for the product and if you are unwilling to pay for the full catalogue then i guess you have to wait and hope what you want comes out in an affordable circumstance. I decided with nit having to so much worry about the outlay just side step any chance of having to wait any longer than i have.
I fully support this model going forward because it really is the best of both worlds. When the ham debacle came about and there was no way i was going to pay for that shit. Or when Joey Riot and Kurt started charging 50-100 quid a year or whatever for their releases as soon as they were completed. I didn't like the premise but that didn't mean that i wouldn't consider that model for someone else. I would probably pay 50 quid a year for M-project or scott brown but not for many others. But unlike the Ham thing, this is a much less dickish way of doing things and i feel for anyone that cannot make this purchase purely due to financial constraints as apposed to not thinking it is worth the money, because that sucks and i hope things work out for you. If you don't think it is worth the cost, then that's your decision like mine with the Ham shit. However please do not give HU grief for their decision because they could have given us no options at all and just drip fed the whole catalogue over years to maximise their profit and i am glad we have these options.
I would personally like to thank the tireless dedication of HU for bringing this long mooted project to fruition in such a way that everyone can get what they want from this huge event in the history of our music. I'd also like to thank sharkey for allowing it to happen but it doesn't change the fact i think he is still a dick for making us wait this long.
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 15:09:56
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It's balancing a billion different things, I know the temptation is to list any rare or exclusive track due to scarcity but... It's an artist album intended to endure. There's no point duping an already released one, no sense in sating the two percent who want something esoteric. Most is entirely unreleased, and without intervention I promise would have remained. The completionist bundle and subsequently released digital caches cover far beyond reasonable expectations for a catalogue presumed closed.
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Your right, was just hoping that some tracks I really love made it there since there was a disc full of old tracks on it, as people are mentioning tracks that are on his hardlife album which to me is pure stupid as there already on an album and shouldn't be on a new 1, not unmixed anyway, if they appear on the dj mix then that is something completely different, so glad that panned out
Like you say its an artist album, so the tracks are on it that are supposed to be, supposed to be released years ago
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CDJay
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 17:53:55
Nothing is hidden behind a firewall, we said from the start everything is would get made available seperately. I think people perhaps underestimate the sheer volume, and balk at a headline figure. Of course Today's The Day is in the completionist edition, as is the Darwin remix. The decision was made by ourselves and Sharkey that the remix rendered them less relevant but they still exist. Everything means exactly that, and if I manage to source or clear something next year it'll get added gratis. Hence the title "completionist". You get what we have, now and going forward.
That's a level of unprecedented access, to a catalog largely unreleased.
I really don't know how else we could or should have done it, and I urge people to think about the potential for this model in a wider sense.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 17:57:42
Following that, there are various versions of tracks and unreleased things we'll throw up and in, because this model supports that. The booklet is increasingly novella length. There's so much potential here to open, study, and enjoy, swathes of scene history.
Takes nothing away from what we plan going forward, but history is always the best teacher. I think we've lost a lot of lessons, and stunning artists /material, and this is my last best hope to do something about it. So... Cheer up! Hehe.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 18:14:37
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Originally posted by CDJay:
Following that, there are various versions of tracks and unreleased things we'll throw up and in, because this model supports that. The booklet is increasingly novella length. There's so much potential here to open, study, and enjoy, swathes of scene history.
Takes nothing away from what we plan going forward, but history is always the best teacher. I think we've lost a lot of lessons, and stunning artists /material, and this is my last best hope to do something about it. So... Cheer up! Hehe.
CDJay
If I was into sharkey more I would have been all over the completionist edition.
Do you see projects like this coming out in the future?
Or how often does an arist go through with something like this?
I know there are TONS of uk hardcore artists I wish would do this, no doubt.
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tenfold234
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 18:51:01
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Do you see projects like this coming out in the future?
Or how often does an arist go through with something like this?
I don't think there are any Hardcore artists with that much unreleased material to warrant a release such as this.
Its almost 14 years since this album was announced and at one point in 2011 was fully scrapped in favour for a website (Sharkey Music) which had all the stuff (I assume) thats in the completionist edition available as single mp3s. Then he got pissed off on the piracy of Hardcore Energy 2 and basically told the scene your not getting anything.
Ive followed the scene for 20+ years and I think Sharkey is the only one who's held onto this much music for so long unreleased.
Although I was talking to Robbie Long 2 years ago and he asked me if it would be good idea to release a DVD of mp3s/wavs of all his material ever made for 50 quid. So I could be wrong
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Samination
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 18:54:22
Joey Riot made DVD with his stuff on. I believe it went for 50 quid too. I dont know how well it went though, but I bought it.
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trippnface
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 19:14:42
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Do you see projects like this coming out in the future?
Or how often does an arist go through with something like this?
I don't think there are any Hardcore artists with that much unreleased material to warrant a release such as this.
Its almost 14 years since this album was announced and at one point in 2011 was fully scrapped in favour for a website (Sharkey Music) which had all the stuff (I assume) thats in the completionist edition available as single mp3s. Then he got pissed off on the piracy of Hardcore Energy 2 and basically told the scene your not getting anything.
Ive followed the scene for 20+ years and I think Sharkey is the only one who's held onto this much music for so long unreleased.
Although I was talking to Robbie Long 2 years ago and he asked me if it would be good idea to release a DVD of mp3s/wavs of all his material ever made for 50 quid. So I could be wrong
interesting insight.
and please message robbie long back and say YES . haha.
man, that is exactly what im talkin about
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trippnface
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 19:38:16
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Joey Riot made DVD with his stuff on. I believe it went for 50 quid too. I dont know how well it went though, but I bought it.
think i grabbed that too, and pretty glad, cuz he def don't make uk hardcore anymore.
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Rodz90
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 21:22:56
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Do you see projects like this coming out in the future?
Or how often does an arist go through with something like this?
I don't think there are any Hardcore artists with that much unreleased material to warrant a release such as this.
Hixxy is one such artist, although it would never happen.
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Posted - 2017/12/11 : 23:12:55
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Originally posted by CDJay:
It's balancing a billion different things, I know the temptation is to list any rare or exclusive track due to scarcity but... It's an artist album intended to endure. There's no point duping an already released one, no sense in sating the two percent who want something esoteric. Most is entirely unreleased, and without intervention I promise would have remained. The completionist bundle and subsequently released digital caches cover far beyond reasonable expectations for a catalogue presumed closed.
CDJay
Your right, was just hoping that some tracks I really love made it there since there was a disc full of old tracks on it, as people are mentioning tracks that are on his hardlife album which to me is pure stupid as there already on an album and shouldn't be on a new 1, not unmixed anyway, if they appear on the dj mix then that is something completely different, so glad that panned out
Like you say its an artist album, so the tracks are on it that are supposed to be, supposed to be released years ago
Fair enough everyone entitled to their own opinion on what should and should not be included. I do feel though for an album of this size, there are some tracks I'm surprised that aren't on the unmixed CDs. Yeah look forward to seeing what's on Sharkey's stem mix.
There are the remixes on CD1 by various artists which is fine but would have been great for there to have been new or unreleased/ unheard Sharkey tracks/ remixes to have featured on the album.
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