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Revs
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 Posted - 2010/06/26 : 12:09:50
I'm wondering how you get a perfect result! Something nice and fresh.
I used different kicks, different snares, different hi hats, etc etc... did different combinasions (to vary a bit), played with the velocity of each kick, snare, hi hat, etc, EQ'd each of them, used the balance, added some effects (reverb etc), used side chain compressors, played with the automation, ... what else could you do? how do you improve your breakbeats?
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 12:30:50
1.buy drum kit
2. set it up at the top of the stairs
3. set up microphone and recording equipment - press record
4. push drumkit down the stairs
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 12:47:16
Well, what makes the perfect breakbeat is entirely subjective, so it's hard to say really! I'd just go and rip a drum loop from a song like what was done with the amen, because your never going to beat the natural timing vs computer programmed timing; and then there is the reverb etc etc.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 13:05:09
Nah, I don't want to rip anything, I want to make my own thing ;) And it's much more fun to work on a breakbeat and see everything you can get than just ripping it from somewhere else!
I just need some new ideas, I want to make it even better now! But it seems like I've tried everything already..
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1.buy drum kit
2. set it up at the top of the stairs
3. set up microphone and recording equipment - press record
4. push drumkit down the stairs
:D
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redwingz
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 13:14:06
Learn from one of the best:
http://breakbeat.hattrixx.co.uk/
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 13:43:44
Well, that's very basic, I already know all of that. I'm looking for more complicated things, and also like I already said, I do my own breakbeats and I don't use samples! (which means I place each kick, hi hat, snare by myself!) But I'm sure this tutorial will be usefull for some people, cheers :)
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Meathead
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 14:50:38
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
Well, that's very basic, I already know all of that. I'm looking for more complicated things, and also like I already said, I do my own breakbeats and I don't use samples! (which means I place each kick, hi hat, snare by myself!) But I'm sure this tutorial will be usefull for some people, cheers :)
Do you record hits from your own drum kit too? Didn't think so. The fact you refuse to use a sampled break, even for supplementary purposes, yet you don't mind using say VEC samples defeats the object a bit don't you think?
What you should do; Find a break you like (it doesn't have to be an amen, hell i sampled a break from a 90's Britpop tune), chop it up a bit to create a groove you like, add your main one shot samples IE kicks and snares where the breaks own kick ands snare hit, add rides and hats in a smilair rhythm to your sample remember to alter velocities and not stick to the quantize grid and there you have your break. But then i'm sure you already knew all this and did it already, and probably even taught these techniques to Danny Byrd and DJ Fresh back in the day.
Probably every D&B track i've heard from all the biggest artists have used some sort of sampled break, cleaned up and supplemented with one shots, but hey what do these people know they've only had a few vinyl releases on major labels that featured on major compilations/albums.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 15:17:58
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I don't understand why you get angry, I simply do that for the fun of creating breakbeats.. and yes I already knew what you wrote, that's the base of doing a breakbeat, isn't it?
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Probably every D&B track i've heard from all the biggest artists have used some sort of sampled break
Doesn't mean I have to do it aswell :p
Nevermind let's forget this topic..
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 15:35:05
The best breakbeats are a combination of individual hits and sampled loops which are sliced, rearranged and layered
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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 16:02:36
Lol, just combine kick and closed hats 4 the beginning. Thats what i like to do. And u can also try adding snares and claps into it if u want.
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Mortis
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 17:24:51
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
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I don't understand why you get angry, I simply do that for the fun of creating breakbeats.. and yes I already knew what you wrote, that's the base of doing a breakbeat, isn't it?
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Probably every D&B track i've heard from all the biggest artists have used some sort of sampled break
Doesn't mean I have to do it aswell :p
Nevermind let's forget this topic..
I think he got angry because your response to the link Redwingz posted came across as very arrogant.
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tru bass
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 17:30:20
what everyone else said.
i've tried many a time to make a good sampled loop in the way you are talking about (by rearranging everything to your own timing) for ages and it never seems to work.. ever
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Meathead
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 18:18:32
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
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I don't understand why you get angry, I simply do that for the fun of creating breakbeats.. and yes I already knew what you wrote, that's the base of doing a breakbeat, isn't it?
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Probably every D&B track i've heard from all the biggest artists have used some sort of sampled break
Doesn't mean I have to do it aswell :p
Nevermind let's forget this topic..
I think he got angry because your response to the link Redwingz posted came across as very arrogant.
I wasn't angry :p. Arrogance does wind me up a bit but i know to expect it from Revs.
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 18:20:31
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Originally posted by Mortis:
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Originally posted by DJ Revs:
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I don't understand why you get angry, I simply do that for the fun of creating breakbeats.. and yes I already knew what you wrote, that's the base of doing a breakbeat, isn't it?
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Probably every D&B track i've heard from all the biggest artists have used some sort of sampled break
Doesn't mean I have to do it aswell :p
Nevermind let's forget this topic..
I think he got angry because your response to the link Redwingz posted came across as very arrogant.
Oops, that wasn't on purpose... I'm very thankful for the link Redwingz posted of course :)
And I think you guys are missing the point.. my question was not how to do a breakbeat, I know how to do that.. I just wanted to know what special tricks people would use to make them, appart of everything that you guys listed because that's the basics anyway.. I wanted to know more about the technical part, like velocity, reverb, blabla.. nevermind
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catlikethief
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 23:19:06
If you already know all the basics, then what more do you need?
If you are creative you can take the "basics" (as you put them) and make something fresh and original, which you are looking for. But if you already know all the basics and can't make something new, then maybe you just can't do it (yet).
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Revs
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Posted - 2010/06/26 : 23:35:34
Well I want to get away from the basics! I should get more into Breakcore, they have sick stuff. I like when it when things are a bit more complicated
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