SPOOX Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,644 posts Joined: Jul, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/29 : 17:42:49
quote:Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
quote:Originally posted by Meathead:the people who will rant and rave about how bad an album is yet will still buy drivvle like this to "support the scene", when in actual fact it is doing this that is allowing the scene to carry on as is, churning out shite release after shite release like a factory production line
quote:Originally posted by SPOOX:Disappointing tracklist
quote:Originally posted by SPOOX:will probably still buy it.
nuff said really. if you don't like it - don't buy it.
In a way your right. But there might be the odd choon worth buying it for. I'll buy it just to add to the collection.
Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/29 : 17:44:33
Aparrently you can buy the (mostly) full unmixed tracks seperately from a download site such as Trackitdown.
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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,503 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2009/06/29 : 19:36:26
quote:Originally posted by 95_was_the_time:
listen to the clips,
all i can say is, what a cheap sounding album. this should be in the bargain bin straight away, all the tunes sounded the same, the same bass sound and everything.
hardcore really has gone down hill, the big boys might as well just pack up and leave 'the scene'
and no, im not trolling. this is my honest opinion. the whole 'scene' is a joke and this proves it.
also. Raindance has **** all to do with modern 'hardcore' anyway. please remove Raindance off the front cover you're giving it a bad name.
I agree 100%! This looks like (and I guess sounds like) Hardcore 2005. This style is getting stale now, it aint the 2000s for much longer so soon this style will be Old Skool...
But as all the 'top boys' want to make Old Skool they should at least make some good Old Skool, stuff like this!
95_was_the_time Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,285 posts Joined: Oct, 2005
Posted - 2009/06/29 : 22:48:47
yean, well the amount of crapcore out now doesn't bother me, i just don't listen to it OR BUY IT TO "ADD TO MY COLLECTION".
but the raindance logo on there does anoy me. funny thing is, if raindance and helterskelter REALLY have anything to do with the tunes on this album then why when you go to
is there no mention, I know the people behind the H.S. hardly ever update that website at all but I still think MOS HQ, some ****ers in suits and ties just said 'let's stamp these logos on to sell more copies'
JayHH86 Advanced Member
Vietnam
1,400 posts Joined: Dec, 2008
Posted - 2009/06/30 : 13:00:32
My take:
I've been doing a lot of reading on hh forums for some time. Reading to absorb different people's perspctives and opinions on the 'hardcore released for commercial gain/not for the benefit of the scene' issue.
I've been listening to hardcore since about 2004, so you're immediately going to be thinking "Ahh, God, what does this punk know?". Well, what I know is this: I love hardcore. As do all of you. There are a lot of elements to hardcore. Different genres and sub genres and what not. I happen to like Freeform, but, predominately, a lot of the more uplifting, trancey sounding, vocal heavy hardcore. Cheesecore, perhaps, for lack of a better expression. Now, it just so happens that this is the kind of hardcore that features heavily on this album (as well as the CXH series, the new Bonkers etc [I do also own bonkers 1-17]). Because these albums are produced for commercial gain (I'm sorry, but surely all music is released under the influence, even if the influence is ever so slight, of the commercial gain factor?) does that mean I should like them less? Or mark them down? It is the sound hitting my ears - it makes me feel bl**dy good. I want to turn my earphones up stupidly loud, and annoy the person sitting next to me at work or on the train. I can't help liking this stuff. So I buy it. And I recommend it to my friends.
Now, I am not suggesting for a minute that people on here who frequently denounce the commercial hardcore production are doing it for the sake of keeping face. I have no doubt that you genuinely don't like it. That's fine. I can understand that it must be f**king frustrating to see album after album that you don't like being released from a scene that is now unrecognisable to you. But. Should people not buy these albums just so that your optimistic hope of the scene returning to how it used to be can be fulfilled? I think there are a hell of a lot of people that hear these albums as their first experience of hardcore and think "F**K me! I love this stuff! Where has it been all my life?" And then they buy the album, and the next album. I doubt there are many people, maybe a tiny, insignificant fraction of people, that think "Wow, I like this. Hardcore - don't now much about that. I wonder how the scene was ten/fifteen years ago? Maybe I should invest some time looking into some of the old skool stuff and compare it to the new stuff to see if the Big Guns are just ripping everyone off". No. That doesn't happen. And that's why, I think, it's not going to change. No doubt you've probably drawn a similar inclusion.
My point is. Is it so bad that people like this stuff? I don't feel guilty about liking it. And I don't feel guilty about buying it. It's unfortunate for the people that have been involved in the hardcore scene for much longer than I have that like the earlier stuff, and now that's changing. It's just natural, though, isn't it? - That things will change. And it won't be to everyone's taste.
I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this. I guess I just got a bit tired of feeling like everyone was slagging of the music that I love and felt like having a say. Then again, who gives a s**t about my say?
Maybe I've missunderstood, maybe this is an ill-educated post. I dunno. I didn't set out to p**s anyone off, and I hope I haven't.
Just for the record, I don't just buy CXH and the like. I'm a big fan of Hardcore Underground, Hardcore Reunited and others that have been labelled credible by anti-commercial people.
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/07/01 : 00:37:50
quote:Originally posted by JayHH86:
My take:
I've been doing a lot of reading on hh forums for some time. Reading to absorb different people's perspctives and opinions on the 'hardcore released for commercial gain/not for the benefit of the scene' issue.
I've been listening to hardcore since about 2004, so you're immediately going to be thinking "Ahh, God, what does this punk know?". Well, what I know is this: I love hardcore. As do all of you. There are a lot of elements to hardcore. Different genres and sub genres and what not. I happen to like Freeform, but, predominately, a lot of the more uplifting, trancey sounding, vocal heavy hardcore. Cheesecore, perhaps, for lack of a better expression. Now, it just so happens that this is the kind of hardcore that features heavily on this album (as well as the CXH series, the new Bonkers etc [I do also own bonkers 1-17]). Because these albums are produced for commercial gain (I'm sorry, but surely all music is released under the influence, even if the influence is ever so slight, of the commercial gain factor?) does that mean I should like them less? Or mark them down? It is the sound hitting my ears - it makes me feel bl**dy good. I want to turn my earphones up stupidly loud, and annoy the person sitting next to me at work or on the train. I can't help liking this stuff. So I buy it. And I recommend it to my friends.
Now, I am not suggesting for a minute that people on here who frequently denounce the commercial hardcore production are doing it for the sake of keeping face. I have no doubt that you genuinely don't like it. That's fine. I can understand that it must be f**king frustrating to see album after album that you don't like being released from a scene that is now unrecognisable to you. But. Should people not buy these albums just so that your optimistic hope of the scene returning to how it used to be can be fulfilled? I think there are a hell of a lot of people that hear these albums as their first experience of hardcore and think "F**K me! I love this stuff! Where has it been all my life?" And then they buy the album, and the next album. I doubt there are many people, maybe a tiny, insignificant fraction of people, that think "Wow, I like this. Hardcore - don't now much about that. I wonder how the scene was ten/fifteen years ago? Maybe I should invest some time looking into some of the old skool stuff and compare it to the new stuff to see if the Big Guns are just ripping everyone off". No. That doesn't happen. And that's why, I think, it's not going to change. No doubt you've probably drawn a similar inclusion.
My point is. Is it so bad that people like this stuff? I don't feel guilty about liking it. And I don't feel guilty about buying it. It's unfortunate for the people that have been involved in the hardcore scene for much longer than I have that like the earlier stuff, and now that's changing. It's just natural, though, isn't it? - That things will change. And it won't be to everyone's taste.
I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this. I guess I just got a bit tired of feeling like everyone was slagging of the music that I love and felt like having a say. Then again, who gives a s**t about my say?
Maybe I've missunderstood, maybe this is an ill-educated post. I dunno. I didn't set out to p**s anyone off, and I hope I haven't.
Just for the record, I don't just buy CXH and the like. I'm a big fan of Hardcore Underground, Hardcore Reunited and others that have been labelled credible by anti-commercial people.
Thanks for reading.
I'm glad to read something like this, because I can really relate to it. I love the upfront Hardcore just as much as all the older stuff, and don't think I will ever understand why so many people feel the need to slag the music. I guess the majority of happy/satisfied Hardcore fans don't feel the need to rant about it on internet forums, unlike the minority of angry/bitter oldschool Hardcore fans.
The banging sound of the artists featured on this album is totally my thing! I can't wait to receive my copy and blast it in my car for the rest of the summer. I just received the dispatch notice from amazon, so I should be able to enjoy it next week :D I just hope it won't come to me in a cd case all crushed by shipping... Amazon's packaging is just terrible :S
By the way, I went and listend to the sample of D&G's remix of In The Heat Of The Night, and I'm HYPED! I'm so blasting this at parties as soon as the single comes out :)
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/07/01 : 03:01:23
I would have gladly bought it on TID... but it's not available in Canada for licensing reasons... I hope I'll have a way to buy it soon. and listening to all the samples is making me HAPPY! I haven't been that excited for an album in a while, although I was very pleasantly surprised by my last purchases.
Trimms Senior Member
United States
494 posts Joined: Aug, 2008
Posted - 2009/07/01 : 21:27:35
You would be surprised how well the scene is doing.
The only people complaining are pissed off hardcore "fans" on the internet. Outside of the forums, no one is complaining. That's the end of it. People can complain on the internet, but the CD producers and agents don't care what you have to say because people LOVE the music.
Cotts Advanced Member
Australia
917 posts Joined: Aug, 2004
Posted - 2009/07/02 : 08:13:45
I really liked the Sound of Hardcore 2009 actually, some of the unmixed tracks are awesome. Some bits got a little over vocal for me but overall it is really worth the money IMO.
Really liking the model where an album is released including the unmixed tracks as well, great for listeners and DJ's.
p.s. Check out Hardcore Revolution while you are at it ;) hintz
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Posted - 2009/06/29 : 19:36:26
This style is getting stale now, it aint the 2000s for much longer so soon this style will be Old Skool... 
