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Audio X
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 Posted - 2007/11/28 : 05:25:50
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Originally posted by BobbyRitalin:
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I'll leave you to your massive library of paid-for pornography then... we all know how you like to hold your package.
You've sure got me beat. You must be related to Jesus!
The point I was trying to make is that the idea of having an actual possession rather than a computer file would be better in my opinion.
I wholeheartedly agree with you when it comes to music, but I like my porn like I like my toilet paper: easy to reach and disposable. 
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Mental_Adam
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 05:26:36
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we all know how you like to hold your package.
  
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TypeR
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 05:39:36
[quote]Originally posted by Audio X:
Because I'm not the best. There are producers who blow me away with their technical skill, like Cube::Hard, Darwin, Luna-C, Ephexis, etc. I've missed some even, but I don't want to drop all kinds of names and sound like an ass-licker. The point is, I make music because I like to, and I really don't expect a lot of money out of it either, but you seem to have missed that idea along the way somewhere. A lot of artists never see more than 3 figures a year for their work, if that.
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*you had edited it after I had quoted it the first time*
Money helps a little bit, but wouldn't you want to make more? There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I don't think you give yourself credit. Just because I don't like you music, I guess if you're tunes get cained by Aaron and you've got a tune on a big cd you've got something going for you.
I haven't missed the idea of making money at making music because I don't make music. I'm terrible in the studio. However as a dj, I prefer to make money at it so that I can drive back and forth to gigs, buy new records, clothes, food, bills, on and on. If you make a commercially viable form of product, shouldn't you expect to draw profit?
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Audio X
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 05:57:23
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Originally posted by BobbyRitalin:
[quote]Originally posted by Audio X:
Because I'm not the best. There are producers who blow me away with their technical skill, like Cube::Hard, Darwin, Luna-C, Ephexis, etc. I've missed some even, but I don't want to drop all kinds of names and sound like an ass-licker. The point is, I make music because I like to, and I really don't expect a lot of money out of it either, but you seem to have missed that idea along the way somewhere. A lot of artists never see more than 3 figures a year for their work, if that.
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*you had edited it after I had quoted it the first time*
Money helps a little bit, but wouldn't you want to make more? There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I don't think you give yourself credit. Just because I don't like you music, I guess if you're tunes get cained by Aaron and you've got a tune on a big cd you've got something going for you.
I haven't missed the idea of making money at making music because I don't make music. I'm terrible in the studio. However as a dj, I prefer to make money at it so that I can drive back and forth to gigs, buy new records, clothes, food, bills, on and on. If you make a commercially viable form of product, shouldn't you expect to draw profit?
If I made a commercially viable product, then yes. But it's hardcore. There's very little money in this genre if you're just an artist. You get some royalties here and there, but it's nothing fantastic. Pocket money if anything. I've even put out a few records knowing full well that I wouldn't get paid for them. But I like having my tracks on vinyl, so it's worth it to me. Like you said in another thread, the real money is in engineering. My tracks are just for the sheer love of it.
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TypeR
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 06:04:41
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by BobbyRitalin:
[quote]Originally posted by Audio X:
Because I'm not the best. There are producers who blow me away with their technical skill, like Cube::Hard, Darwin, Luna-C, Ephexis, etc. I've missed some even, but I don't want to drop all kinds of names and sound like an ass-licker. The point is, I make music because I like to, and I really don't expect a lot of money out of it either, but you seem to have missed that idea along the way somewhere. A lot of artists never see more than 3 figures a year for their work, if that.
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*you had edited it after I had quoted it the first time*
Money helps a little bit, but wouldn't you want to make more? There's nothing wrong with that in my opinion. I don't think you give yourself credit. Just because I don't like you music, I guess if you're tunes get cained by Aaron and you've got a tune on a big cd you've got something going for you.
I haven't missed the idea of making money at making music because I don't make music. I'm terrible in the studio. However as a dj, I prefer to make money at it so that I can drive back and forth to gigs, buy new records, clothes, food, bills, on and on. If you make a commercially viable form of product, shouldn't you expect to draw profit?
If I made a commercially viable product, then yes. But it's hardcore. There's very little money in this genre if you're just an artist. You get some royalties here and there, but it's nothing fantastic. Pocket money if anything. I've even put out a few records knowing full well that I wouldn't get paid for them. But I like having my tracks on vinyl, so it's worth it to me. Like you said in another thread, the real money is in engineering. My tracks are just for the sheer love of it.
I couldn't imagine seeing my name on a label in the center of the vinyl, that would be too cool.
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 08:33:44
Seriously, in the end, music isn't something you can touch.
You can't touch the sound, but you can ofcourse touch the bloody
thing that generates it, but not the sound itself. NUFF SAID.
You can't get to the pirates, if you don't forcible change the people's right to live in the whole world (Hell, ofcourse we got chinese who listen to hardcore :P)
I legally download my hardcore (in the past 6 months I've only illegally downloaded 1 track), and I illegally download most other things (tho If I like it much, I will buy that aswell).
just for the heck of it, Im going to quote myself what I said on USH
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So, because you want want to let vinyl live, the labels should just give up on CD's or digital?
Does that mean I have to buy a vinyl every single time, just to ripp it, and then throw the vinyl out, just because I dont have any need for it anymore? In any way, Both of us (label and I) will lose money on that, because you hardcore antagonist's want to stick to only vinyl, and let us who actually buy CD or digital singels in decline. Even if it's not much money, it's still money.
I haven't seen anyone say how much an artist/label earns for each vinyl sold, or each mp3 sold. I wouldn't mind that some tracks are sold at half the price of a PRESSED vinyl (that would mean they would earn more per track, since there's no pressing cost on a fukcing mp3), as long as I like it (If I didn't like it, I wouldn't even buy it if it was 99p).
And blaming filesharing, when Jay just said that some of the top tier labels sells in the 1000's... I don't get it, but then those are the easiest/most sought after labels on filesharing communities, and their not digital (except for the promos that are given out... the artists must be giving out the promo's to people who fileshares them on purpose).
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Vinyls. But FOREMOST, I'm a hardcore listener, and not a bedroom/fulltime DJ, as some people would think, or what my ush-name says. So I just want my music in easiest way for me to listen, and if I like it, I wouldn't mind paying abit more for it to get it on CD or mp3 (preferbly wav tho)
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 10:42:12
Does that mean no more Bonkers ever?
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Dj Satsky
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 10:46:12
Prob by the time the next Bonkers CD comes out they'll have come up with a replacement for Resist.
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 10:57:00
Why cant the dj's who came together to make the Bonkers cd's speak up and keep Bonkers going?
Come on Scot Brown
Sharky
Hixxy
Breeze
Styles
and anyone else who helped to put Bonkers together.
Dont let Bonkers die
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Xanergy
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 11:08:48
I'd assume that lots of companies would jump at the chance to host Bonkers. I wonder if there's really a reason to worry about this. Sorry for my ignorant reply, I'm just getting into the understanding of all this.
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 12:26:39
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Why cant the dj's who came together to make the Bonkers cd's speak up and keep Bonkers going?
Come on Scot Brown
Sharky
Hixxy
Breeze
Styles
and anyone else who helped to put Bonkers together.
Dont let Bonkers die
I never imagined that you'd not say Vibes :P
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kathryn
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 14:23:11
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Originally posted by DjSamination:
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Originally posted by kathryn:
Why cant the dj's who came together to make the Bonkers cd's speak up and keep Bonkers going?
Come on Scot Brown
Sharky
Hixxy
Breeze
Styles
and anyone else who helped to put Bonkers together.
Dont let Bonkers die
I never imagined that you'd not say Vibes :P
oops its the old brain and memory thing
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dj switchback
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 17:00:25
Dunno why folk this would be the end of Bonkers. I don't recall it being the end of Bonkers in the summer of 2004 when React went bust.
A new company will no doubt come along and take Resist place.
It's not all doom and gloom , even though short term it is shit.
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SixFeet
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 18:46:00
I'm off to take a big dump. Will post pictures of my escapades later.
Discuss!
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Ghetto_smurf420
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 20:42:52
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:The websites for illegal downloads is out of control. The 2 that come to mind I wont mention just for the pure chance ppl on here don't know them but I will say every single one of my Executive releases and Digital downloads are on there a day after they are released and I look at the thread views and cringe at the fact 100s of people have downloaded these tunes for free. I see every major artists tune on there including most of the raverbaby tunes and I see members on this forum and USH posting on there and downloading the tracks for free.
This is actually easier to remedy than you'd think. Join the site, send a PM to the admin stating that you don't want them putting your stuff up, and they will blacklist your tracks and tracks from your label from the site. Simple. It may not stop the massive p2p sharing, but it stops the goings-on from these sites by some margin. Most filesharing sites are very accomodating when it comes to this (I know personally, as I belong to one a couple for another type of...er, "hardcore" and it's the same way lol).
Myself and multiple producers have tried to do that for the past 2 years on this one particular site. I joined a year ago to try and stop that. It did not work. I have done what you said on about 4 other websites and they have obliged. A new one always pops up. I understand what you are saying but it is never that easy to stop it. Its always going to be a battle.
Note that I said "by some margin". It's true that a new one pops up for each one that goes down, but at the same time it drives them further underground to the point where the people using the sites won't be the type to buy anything in the first place. At the very least it's damage control.
I disagree. But we all have our opinions. It shouldn't be anyone’s right. Underground or not to freely distribute a track without the permission of the label owner or the artist. I know you aint implying that either. I just don't believe in damage control on distribution of tracks. The sites should not be up all together.
How About Everybody Just Does What I Do And Buy Every Single Happy Hardcore Cd There Is Truly Support The Industry You Claim TO Love By Buying Every Cd Before Hearing It WIthout Judgements About The Djs The Tracklist And All The Other Crap You Peeps Whine ABout In These Forums Right Now I Have 45 Total Compilation Albums Making It About 100 Cds I get 2 Or 3 More A Month I Dont Care That I Have Some Songs On 5 Albums Its Differant Mixes Everytime.......................I Dunno Its Just A Suggestion
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