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TypeR
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 Posted - 2007/11/27 : 02:53:06
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Originally posted by Meph751:
bonkers 17 didn't sell well? where'd you get that info just out of curiosity? i thought it was a pretty good compilation.
Just because you personally thought it sounded good to your ears, doesn't mean that it sold units.
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 03:11:37
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
This is definately not good for hardcore but we still haven't had confirmation that this is true.
Sorry read the news page :) this is 100% confirmed, I have confirmed this with former staff.
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Audio X
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 04:37:42
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Originally posted by DJHaze:
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:The websites for illegal downloads is out of control. The 2 that come to mind I wont mention just for the pure chance ppl on here don't know them but I will say every single one of my Executive releases and Digital downloads are on there a day after they are released and I look at the thread views and cringe at the fact 100s of people have downloaded these tunes for free. I see every major artists tune on there including most of the raverbaby tunes and I see members on this forum and USH posting on there and downloading the tracks for free.
This is actually easier to remedy than you'd think. Join the site, send a PM to the admin stating that you don't want them putting your stuff up, and they will blacklist your tracks and tracks from your label from the site. Simple. It may not stop the massive p2p sharing, but it stops the goings-on from these sites by some margin. Most filesharing sites are very accomodating when it comes to this (I know personally, as I belong to one a couple for another type of...er, "hardcore" and it's the same way lol).
Myself and multiple producers have tried to do that for the past 2 years on this one particular site. I joined a year ago to try and stop that. It did not work. I have done what you said on about 4 other websites and they have obliged. A new one always pops up. I understand what you are saying but it is never that easy to stop it. Its always going to be a battle.
Note that I said "by some margin". It's true that a new one pops up for each one that goes down, but at the same time it drives them further underground to the point where the people using the sites won't be the type to buy anything in the first place. At the very least it's damage control.
I disagree. But we all have our opinions. It shouldn't be anyone’s right. Underground or not to freely distribute a track without the permission of the label owner or the artist. I know you aint implying that either. I just don't believe in damage control on distribution of tracks. The sites should not be up all together.
Oh believe me, I'm with you on that one, but the fact is that they are there, and there really isn't anything we can do except to know who is distributing what and where and make sure that the proper actions are taken to control the flow of traffic to that location or somehow blacklist our tracks from those sites by dealing with the administrators.
I'm not saying it's the ideal situation, but what other options do we have at this point?
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 07:39:13
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Originally posted by The Doc:
anyway back to the thread topic please! I think Resist tried to much to soon this year! (or could it of been desperation) They did loads of the budget CD's! (copying the decadance route) and also trying new formats like HF&F to sell CD's! and then their final release B17 which didn't sell well (we all know why) has finished them!
I'm assuming you are thinking that it was partly due to Bonkers 17 , and your saying we all know why it didn't sell? No Raverbaby artists etc etc
Well your incorrect for FACT mate. Bonkers 17 has done well from what i can gather , and this is no fault of Hardcore in the slightest.
Just cause the Bonkers line up changed , and some new projects were tried , that wasn't the reason why the company collapsed.
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Posted - 2007/11/27 : 21:37:23
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:
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Originally posted by Audio X:
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Originally posted by DJHaze:The websites for illegal downloads is out of control. The 2 that come to mind I wont mention just for the pure chance ppl on here don't know them but I will say every single one of my Executive releases and Digital downloads are on there a day after they are released and I look at the thread views and cringe at the fact 100s of people have downloaded these tunes for free. I see every major artists tune on there including most of the raverbaby tunes and I see members on this forum and USH posting on there and downloading the tracks for free.
This is actually easier to remedy than you'd think. Join the site, send a PM to the admin stating that you don't want them putting your stuff up, and they will blacklist your tracks and tracks from your label from the site. Simple. It may not stop the massive p2p sharing, but it stops the goings-on from these sites by some margin. Most filesharing sites are very accomodating when it comes to this (I know personally, as I belong to one a couple for another type of...er, "hardcore" and it's the same way lol).
Myself and multiple producers have tried to do that for the past 2 years on this one particular site. I joined a year ago to try and stop that. It did not work. I have done what you said on about 4 other websites and they have obliged. A new one always pops up. I understand what you are saying but it is never that easy to stop it. Its always going to be a battle.
Note that I said "by some margin". It's true that a new one pops up for each one that goes down, but at the same time it drives them further underground to the point where the people using the sites won't be the type to buy anything in the first place. At the very least it's damage control.
I disagree. But we all have our opinions. It shouldn't be anyone’s right. Underground or not to freely distribute a track without the permission of the label owner or the artist. I know you aint implying that either. I just don't believe in damage control on distribution of tracks. The sites should not be up all together.
Oh believe me, I'm with you on that one, but the fact is that they are there, and there really isn't anything we can do except to know who is distributing what and where and make sure that the proper actions are taken to control the flow of traffic to that location or somehow blacklist our tracks from those sites by dealing with the administrators.
I'm not saying it's the ideal situation, but what other options do we have at this point?
I agree mate. I might PM you so we can talk about this further so other people can talk about Resist directly in this thread. Would be good to see what sites you know about so you might be able to help me if that is ok. 
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 01:08:25
All the sharing sites I belong to are for a more... erm, "adult" sort of hardcore. 
But I'd be glad to tell you what I know! LOL
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 01:17:59
but you can't sit on the high horse of "don't steal MY types of files" if you yourself steal files. that's talking out of both sides of your mouth. it's either steal or don't steal. you're no better than someone that steals hardcore if you are against the illegal download of hardcore file sharing, yet you fileshare to steal something else. it's still file sharing and it's still wrong to do even if it's not for hardcore tunes.
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 01:23:41
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Originally posted by BobbyRitalin:
but you can't sit on the high horse of "don't steal MY types of files" if you yourself steal files. that's talking out of both sides of your mouth. it's either steal or don't steal. you're no better than someone that steals hardcore if you are against the illegal download of hardcore file sharing, yet you fileshare to steal something else. it's still file sharing and it's still wrong to do even if it's not for hardcore tunes.
For the record, porn is a multi-billion dollar industry regardless of the filesharing. Hardcore is not, so yeah, I can be a bit of a hypocrite about it and not lose sleep at night. What I'm against is stealing from the little guys. Independent artists/labels, and more underground music. I have downloaded mainstream music and I still do every once in a while, because the people involved are already enjoying their new BMWs and "cribs". If you steal from, say, Mumsbasement Records and they don't break even, the people involved might have to cut back on groceries for a little while.
Ever heard of Robin Hood? Steal from the rich and give to the poor, etc? It's a good book. You should download it sometime.
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 03:14:03
I was just saying that all is fair in love and war.
Copyright law.
It's a good one, you should follow it sometime.
Stealing is stealing, plain and simple. You wouldn't go shoplift at a big department store just because they made a trillion dollars that day, but not steal from the corner store because it's smaller. Billions or not, it's still stealing.
Either way, Resist must have been big. Big enough to carry other genres. If everyone had the same idea about it like you, however thought that Resist was the biggest thing in the world and stole every copy of Bonkers that they could, that could in turn make them bankrupt. So, in turn, The little guy just turned around and ****ed the little guy then.
Your idea of big and other peoples ideas of big aren't always the same.
What if everyone thought that CLSM (we'll use him as an example) was super duper huge. In our genre he is, but in the grand scheme of things he's the little guy. So since the kids that think he's a super big rockstar decided to never pay for his tracks because they thought that he was driving around a Bently and could afford to have the tracks be ripped off from him. Only a few people are doing it so it shouldn't really matter right? Well let's figure he only sells five records a month at ten bucks a piece, that's only fifty bucks (if he sold them directly without distro.) Now say that 36 people stole the track rather than buying it. He still only made 50 bucks. Say it cost 2000 bucks to press that record to vinyl and he has 500 copies of it at home. He would have to sell 41 units a month to sell all of them in a year to get rid of all of them. And he'd have to make 166 bucks a month on those sales to break even on his investment. If he only sold 5 units and only made fifty bucks that month, then he is well behind the 8ball on his money. So long story short, he has a ton of records on his desk at home and no money because everyone in the land stole his tunes.
Now imagine if CLSM produced and cut to vinyl 2 tracks a month.
He'll be broke and go out of business.
Now that is only 1 artist out of many. Say that happens to every artist that presses vinyl. Everyone will go out of business because of "Robin Hood"
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 03:17:23
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Originally posted by BobbyRitalin:
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Originally posted by Meph751:
bonkers 17 didn't sell well? where'd you get that info just out of curiosity? i thought it was a pretty good compilation.
Just because you personally thought it sounded good to your ears, doesn't mean that it sold units.
i know that, i just have heard nothing about bonkers 17 doing poorly, and see no reason it would do any worse than the previous cds, which to the best of my knowledge, were pretty successful?
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 03:52:17
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Originally posted by BobbyRitalin:
I was just saying that all is fair in love and war.
Copyright law.
It's a good one, you should follow it sometime.
Stealing is stealing, plain and simple. You wouldn't go shoplift at a big department store just because they made a trillion dollars that day, but not steal from the corner store because it's smaller. Billions or not, it's still stealing.
Either way, Resist must have been big. Big enough to carry other genres. If everyone had the same idea about it like you, however thought that Resist was the biggest thing in the world and stole every copy of Bonkers that they could, that could in turn make them bankrupt. So, in turn, The little guy just turned around and ****ed the little guy then.
Your idea of big and other peoples ideas of big aren't always the same.
What if everyone thought that CLSM (we'll use him as an example) was super duper huge. In our genre he is, but in the grand scheme of things he's the little guy. So since the kids that think he's a super big rockstar decided to never pay for his tracks because they thought that he was driving around a Bently and could afford to have the tracks be ripped off from him. Only a few people are doing it so it shouldn't really matter right? Well let's figure he only sells five records a month at ten bucks a piece, that's only fifty bucks (if he sold them directly without distro.) Now say that 36 people stole the track rather than buying it. He still only made 50 bucks. Say it cost 2000 bucks to press that record to vinyl and he has 500 copies of it at home. He would have to sell 41 units a month to sell all of them in a year to get rid of all of them. And he'd have to make 166 bucks a month on those sales to break even on his investment. If he only sold 5 units and only made fifty bucks that month, then he is well behind the 8ball on his money. So long story short, he has a ton of records on his desk at home and no money because everyone in the land stole his tunes.
Now imagine if CLSM produced and cut to vinyl 2 tracks a month.
He'll be broke and go out of business.
Now that is only 1 artist out of many. Say that happens to every artist that presses vinyl. Everyone will go out of business because of "Robin Hood"
But you could also look at it on the flip side, if he did sell the quota unit ammount every month and didn't spend a cent all year, he'd make a million dollars cash.
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You can't profess to others how they shouldn't rip people off if you yourself rip people off. It's called the golden rule, maybe you should follow it sometime. And I laugh because you are supposed to be the "professional"
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Edited by - TypeR on 2007/11/28 03:59:25 |
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 04:06:19
although i do see both sides, what bobby has to say here is true whether you like to admit it or not. and when you get right down to the principle, stealing is stealing.
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 04:20:55
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Originally posted by alex_e:
although i do see both sides, what bobby has to say here is true whether you like to admit it or not. and when you get right down to the principle, stealing is stealing.
but i guess if you are a "superstar" like Audio-X then it's ok to rip off some porn since he's too rockstar for actual pussy
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 04:34:31
^^Where are you getting the quotes from. Not sure Audio X has called himself a superstar or a rockstar or anything of the sort.
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Posted - 2007/11/28 : 04:38:55
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^^Where are you getting the quotes from. Not sure Audio X has called himself a superstar or a rockstar or anything of the sort.
go to his myspace, you'll get it after that. Brisk and Robbie Long don't even call themselves the Premier in their own respects
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