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DJ Judas
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 2007/07/13 : 13:45:08
Having listened through the album I'd say the album has been marketed incorrectly with it's title, it sounds like it's been thrown together with shades of commercial electro, hard house and badly produced remixes of old tracks with large names in the hard dance scene used just to get sales.
I know that by saying a hardcore album should only contain the genres that are actually hardcore like freeform, gabber and straightforward hardcore means that it'd turn out like every other hardcore compilation out there. BUT, if it's not a hardcore album, it shouldn't be labelled as one.
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danjel
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Sweden
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Posted - 2007/07/13 : 15:02:14
Benny Benassi - Satisfaction (Vinylgroover remix)
Not a clip of that? Is it hardcore? Is vinylgroover back on hardcore??
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silver
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Japan
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Posted - 2007/07/13 : 16:56:35
Clips on the news page if you havn't checked.
danjel: It is a harddance mix.
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HARRIBO
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Posted - 2007/07/13 : 19:44:01
am liking the second half of the 2nd cd and the 3d cd going by the clips
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The Doc
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Posted - 2007/07/13 : 22:05:59
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Originally posted by DJ Judas:
Having listened through the album I'd say the album has been marketed incorrectly with it's title, it sounds like it's been thrown together with shades of commercial electro, hard house and badly produced remixes of old tracks with large names in the hard dance scene used just to get sales.
I know that by saying a hardcore album should only contain the genres that are actually hardcore like freeform, gabber and straightforward hardcore means that it'd turn out like every other hardcore compilation out there. BUT, if it's not a hardcore album, it shouldn't be labelled as one.
having listened to some clips thats popped up on the news page today! I think your being kind! you should of just said this is the worst f**king "Hardcore" album ever and left it that! this to me is really sh*te! The hardcore that is actually on there (not much) is the worst sh*te anyway! Got HR2 the other day and has a few proper UK tracks and a good mixture of all UK styles! (but Gabber is like a disease for Uk albums  )
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/07/14 : 09:41:08
Hmmm. TBH only 35% of the stuff on there is hardcore. What's up with that? Not that I mind other genres but why label it a hardcore CD?
CD 1 is one of the weekest breaks mixes I've ever heard... Come on, there is loads of fat breaks tunes about.
CD 2 is ok IMO. Prob' the best on there.
CD 3 has a couple of decent tunes but it's mainly pretty weak hardcore.
...Will give this a miss!
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Im_British
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Posted - 2007/07/14 : 10:28:03
I'll buy it. But Im removing CD1 from the case and scraching in 'POOPY' with a penknife so deeply that it will never play on any CD player in the world.
Then I'll probably microwave it or somthing.
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KermytDJ
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Posted - 2007/07/14 : 13:31:06
If you pop over to slipmatt.net you'll see old Matty has been pushing this new rave breaks for a while. He has a few tracks on their also for you to listen too. And i've been bugging him asking when there out on vinyl, some quality stuff out there.
Hard Core and Hard Dance have been merging forever, pinching music of each other, similar samples just the speed was really the difference.
Suppport your scene, buy the music, buy the tickets and party hardcore.
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KermytDJ
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Posted - 2007/07/14 : 13:43:18
Okay hypocrite alert.......... i've just been listening to some of the stuff on the myspace site.... Has somebody forgot that we like our hardcore @ 170bpm not 140bpm. Dont get me wrong the stuff is cool but i'm thinking chill out room. Altern-8 - Activ-8 i was expecting something hard fast in yer face stab breaks hi hats boom boom. Hmm i feel sleepy now......its so chilled.
I feel a conspiracy coming on, all DJ's get together, slow down the music so they can make it more commerical and get air play on Radio 1, get the scene more popular, demand more money, get hit singles, ahhhhh somebody wake me from this nightmare...........
Next up: DJ Brisk & Kylie : I just cant get you out of my airhead.
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Mr igloo
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United States
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Posted - 2007/07/15 : 02:22:44
Besides CD1, I will have to pass on this album.
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gloworm
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Posted - 2007/07/16 : 09:44:34
i'm pretty saddened to see the reactions on this page- it seems people have totally missed the point and the heritage of helter seklter- which has always speciailised in putting on raves and reflecting the different spheres of rave across the board.
whilst not being a purist hardcore album, it IS a true reflection of a helter skelter night out- which prob most of you are too young to remember. it is the sound of the different rooms of the uk rave, mixed by some of the most porfficient producers in each of their spheres.
did you want them to belt out a load of old cheesy hardcore once again, or do something do, resulting in hardcore and rave actually getting airplay on radio 1 -how can that be a bad new and look to the future?
this is exactly why our scene continually fails to flurish- people will just not stand by the old solid brands like helter skelter that have a hance of bringing hardcore and rave to the forefront and getting crebility -something that all 3 of the DJS have tirelessly endeavoured to thing that the producers and djs and promoters can finally propser?
i WILL be buying this album, and giving everything on it a thorough go before i spew negativity all over these usually reasonable forum pages.
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/07/16 : 10:46:33
If the playlist on the front page would only work, i might have added a proper oppinion here... anyways...
Iäm not fond of the pre-1995 styled Hardcore/Jungle/Rave, and I dont say that because I got into Hardcore styles music as late as 2001-02 (as there's alot who likes older music who first started to hear it late aswell), it's because it's not me. I was into melodic/epic (not as in pop) trance, aswell as heavy (melodic) metal, so I will always like the more 'epic' sounding freeform hardcore
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Samination
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Posted - 2007/07/16 : 10:50:46
Okey, so I got the playlist to work, but I had to change to Internet Explorer (think of the non-windows users ffs)
I tweaked the code to load slower so browser with slower flash renders would work.
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KermytDJ
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Posted - 2007/07/16 : 12:15:44
Okay i'm with your there in respect HSO have always been at the forefront, not just one style of music. I think back to the sanctuary, pre-rollerz, and it was just the main room and the technodrome (a hot sweaty sauna like room with excellent dj's to boot - not literally). In the main room you would have Grooverider followed by Vibes followed by Ellis Dee followed by Slipmatt. Mixing up the night with their styles of music. Then the divide got bigger and one room was specifically Hardcore (4-beat) and one Techno (gabba) and one room D&B (jungle).
Later on in the 90's the divide got so much bigger events were only playing one specific style of music. Helter Skelter went kinda down the route of D&B which led to the rise of Hardcore Heaven etc.
I think i could go on for a wihle here but the point i want to make is that basically this album has been labelled as hardcore, so people that buy will be generally thinking "wicked banging hardcore". If the album was called Helter Skelter : Hard-Dance The New Generation then the reaction would be so much bigger in a positive way.
If i saw a album called D&B 2007 i would not expect to find slipmatt, vibes and dougal on it etc.
As i have stated in previous posts, i love the new ravebreaks style and have brown nosed slipmatt in emails saying so.
The album is misleading and my post is now rattling on.
Call it hardcore keep it hardcore.
I personally would love Hardcore to get more airplay and recognition but only the form we all know it and love it as. I'd also love DJ's to get back to mixing all styles in one set back to the HARDCORE (where it was called hardcore and nothing else really) days.
I'm kinda worried also that HSO will go down the Fantazia route (an early and higly respected pioneer of hardcore events). They tend to release Hard-dance and have forgotten about the underground hardcore that made them.
While i'm here when is Coventry going to get a hardcore event, HTID were supposed to do the Skydome Arena but pulled out last minute (a couple of years ago now). We had the Eclipse (later renamed the Edge) now we have nothing but corporate towny style discoteques. Occasionally the green room puts a night on. We used to have Fantazia, Dreamscape, Amnesai all the big nights were here................
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DJ Mole
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Posted - 2007/07/16 : 18:22:20
awesome compilation!
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