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SparkzMusic
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 Posted - 2019/02/28 : 23:57:02
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Originally posted by DjCirrus:
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Originally posted by CDJay:
USA scene is rescuable. It'll be a damned sight easier than the UK at any rate 😂
CDJay
I hope that one day in 2023 or 4 that i will be on a main stage mixing some bad*** hardcore turns and bring back our beloved music 
Oh CD Jay. If your farts and whafters were any clearer, I'd swear you were trying to say you guys are the saviour of the scene.
Just like I've said before, fair play to you guys for doing what you do but you aren't the be all and end all. It's now mostly financial for you guys. It has a following. Doesn't mean you are picking up the pieces in a scene that is totally dead.
Many people still produce yet perhaps arent quite as publicised as the HU stuff. Doesn't mean the scene is dead. Lets all buy HU to and other CD Jay releases to stop it dying is a bit of a queef if you ask me.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/03/01 : 01:13:57
Possibly a bit harsh. Just released another upfront compilation album, rescued yet another back cat (which has serious emotional reservations for me) and am setting up global tour nights to promote upfront UK Hardcore music and current artists. It's far from the "be all and end all" but it's something.
Edit: Also really keen to promote all shades of hardcore, the gloves and nappies are off. The days of us worrying about being called "old skool" or "drum n bass" are over. Send things, work with us. It's preferable.
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SparkzMusic
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Posted - 2019/03/01 : 01:56:48
But CD-Jay. Like said I respect what you are doing.
It's a slice of the scene though. You do a lot, which people appreciate but as per before, the whole if it wasnt for us. The at it's knees and so on comments are a bit big headed.
Yes the scene benefits from your own great work with stuff, which we all appreciate and respect but just like if Styles said tomorrow that he's done, the scene wouldn't be gone.
If it wasn't for you, the scene would be fine. If it wasn't for you, the scene would equally be worse off, which is highly respectable to work hard and bring so many releases to that part of the scene.
After hearing the Crescendo release mix, there's lots of lads that aren't working with a voice to put them there. Fundabounce, Core-key, Pluz, all great artists with nowhere to go?
With Martins own work... UFO remixed it.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2019/03/01 : 02:50:45
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Originally posted by CDJay:
Possibly a bit harsh. Just released another upfront compilation album, rescued yet another back cat (which has serious emotional reservations for me) and am setting up global tour nights to promote upfront UK Hardcore music and current artists. It's far from the "be all and end all" but it's something.
Edit: Also really keen to promote all shades of hardcore, the gloves and nappies are off. The days of us worrying about being called "old skool" or "drum n bass" are over. Send things, work with us. It's preferable.
CDJay
I'm behind you! I think all this preserving of 90s tracks is just brilliant!
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/03/01 : 04:14:52
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
But CD-Jay. Like said I respect what you are doing.
It's a slice of the scene though. You do a lot, which people appreciate but as per before, the whole if it wasnt for us. The at it's knees and so on comments are a bit big headed.
Yes the scene benefits from your own great work with stuff, which we all appreciate and respect but just like if Styles said tomorrow that he's done, the scene wouldn't be gone.
If it wasn't for you, the scene would be fine. If it wasn't for you, the scene would equally be worse off, which is highly respectable to work hard and bring so many releases to that part of the scene.
After hearing the Crescendo release mix, there's lots of lads that aren't working with a voice to put them there. Fundabounce, Core-key, Pluz, all great artists with nowhere to go?
With Martins own work... UFO remixed it.
Right, but we've spent years trying to build a useful platform so why not engage? I really don't know where we've projected saviour exclusion status. If anything we feel utterly disengaged and underutilised whilst running outreach programs. Please go check hu comp tracklists and say we haven't tried.
Better yet, suggest what we should do. We might listen. I certainly don't feel like I have the answers 😂
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SparkzMusic
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Posted - 2019/03/04 : 22:18:33
CD-Jay....
It's been the same old though hasn't it. On one side there the HU stuff, with the usual crew. On the other is Stompy, VG, the proven quality artists who are the past.
Plenty of peeps still produce now and a lot of quality about them as well. So a middle ground, HappyHardcore album. People like Mansy, Si Thompson, Fundabounce.
Unless a project starter is rolled out by those who can, there's very little people can do. Im sure if you said submissions are open for an album press, or even digital release, 10 tacks, a lot of lads and lassies who are otherwise brushed aside would come up with something cracking.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/03/04 : 22:49:59
Yeah, this is where you've lost me. The guys who have first debuted nearly everyone, of note, in the past decade, who have an open submission process, put out artist albums for anyone faintly worthwhile ,and actively seek material for podcasts are *actually* caustic self congratulatory scene sabateurs. Entirely hell bent on their output ruling over a scene they tried to save but if we can't... IT'S COAT HANGER TIME. Your entire verbal assault is based off me saying the USA scene is easier to save at this point. It is. I have facts and demonstrable proof.
I'm not sure where I virtue signalled by pointing out that which single cell organisms could nonetheless "see". I'm not the enemy, I never claimed to be Jesus... I'm just a guy. Yet I am a guy with a platform and desire to do good shit so why piss on that? 😂
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SparkzMusic
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Posted - 2019/03/04 : 23:32:32
TY for the reply.
What it comes to is me being on about, the stuff previous, it's not necessarily about this thread direct, but your comment was there and so, it's, "hey, words to say to Jay, who might see it in a thread he's commenting on".
As per previous posts... We saved the scene, we did this. If It wasn't for us.
I was saying, nobody saved any scene because the scene as a whole is f**ked right? Aparrantley Gammer has said he has made his final "core" track, Styles and co say they make hardcore yet have gone from the scene.
HU is no CX in terms of audience, which is no criticism of course as clubland is a massive commercial business.
There doesn't seem to be a proud new CDJay artist pushing his/her stuff, but the usual HU or classic bigname. I haven't seen a thread asking for material.
With that being said, I sincerely apologise with sounding harsh and stuff recently. Genuinely, as Feb and March are always difficult for myself. No excuse I know.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/03/04 : 23:49:15
Gaz (Fracus) said it best quoting Stewart Lee: I'd rather have 2000 people who actually give a shit. We don't want cxh audiences who flit away at the first sign of anything shiny. Why are we supposed to chase the plastic fantastic. The dubcore movement went so badly Powerstomp got traction. Can we use counter culture to actually push good music this time?
If y'all want mega edm crowds that's great; we want a small sustainable crowd who genuinely give a shit scattered in pockets globally. That's achievable and means we can carry on. If that offends, alas I figure dues are paid to whatever scene deities exist and we'll truck along with anyone else who gives a shit and pray you don't have a traffic cop outfit / gun.
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SparkzMusic
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Posted - 2019/03/05 : 00:50:04
Are there really 2000 now that give a shit though?
The former scene, nobody really jumped ship. It was forced. Perhaps via greed and a sign of the times. But certainly, the audience was forced to jump.
Nobody wants the EDM scene now, but what people want is the missing gap. B and S went out too early and people think wtf? That line hadn't run its course.
Lets say then, in the last 5 years, can you honestly say there's been 5 new and up and coming artists involved in the work you have done? Who have come from, say here or just submitting their work over?
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/03/05 : 00:58:51
We're about to hit 20,000 discrete orders on our direct sale store. We're an indie hardcore label. We did over ?10k turnover in 24 hours on Friday. Again, we're not cxh. We don't want to be. We also don't have the overheads.
I really don't see why you're annoyed. Look at what I said: it *is* correct, by any sane metric. Clearly I've done something to warrant the spat fury but I white flagged, pleaded for forgiveness and was open for suggestions. Must I die so the scene can live?
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djDMS
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Posted - 2019/03/05 : 01:04:44
No point trying to reason with him, he clearly already has all the answers.
Just a pity he isn't willing to share.
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danielseven
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Posted - 2019/03/05 : 03:29:37
Sincerely, I think these accusations of elitism, against someone that REALLY cares about keeping a high-quality standard in terms of hardcore music, are a bit too harsh.
If a label with a high-quality standard doesn't release music from other artists, it depends on many factors, but the most important, in my opinion, are these 3:
1 - The tracks, even having good potential, are still sub-par to the quality standards of the label;
2 - The artist doesn't have a proper branding (a brand isn't just having a logo or Facebook likes);
3 - The artist isn't validated enough in the industry (validation comes through good quality music and promotion).
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Samination
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Posted - 2019/03/05 : 04:06:18
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Nobody wants the EDM scene now, but what people want is the missing gap. B and S went out too early and people think wtf? That line hadn't run its course.
IF you ask Rafferty, B&S did run their course. -5 years before they even started.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/03/05 : 12:02:23
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Originally posted by danielseven:
Sincerely, I think these accusations of elitism, against someone that REALLY cares about keeping a high-quality standard in terms of hardcore music, are a bit too harsh.
If a label with a high-quality standard doesn't release music from other artists, it depends on many factors, but the most important, in my opinion, are these 3:
1 - The tracks, even having good potential, are still sub-par to the quality standards of the label;
2 - The artist doesn't have a proper branding (a brand isn't just having a logo or Facebook likes);
3 - The artist isn't validated enough in the industry (validation comes through good quality music and promotion).
It's actually
4 - despite having an open compilation series, and podcast, no one sends us anything. 😂
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