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warped_candykid
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 Posted - 2019/01/30 : 04:09:07
One thing I've noticed is that his mixes were...slower...than the others on the album. When you look the vinyls up though, they always seem faster (and I don't believe they've been sped up). Did Dougal slow down the songs? I know that doesn't make sense, but one can't help but wonder.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2019/01/30 : 09:34:40
Worth noting that vinylrips on youtube nearly always speed up the music!
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2019/01/30 : 09:46:58
Back then he always played songs at as close to 0 pitch. I know for a fact he did sometimes pitch down below 0, because I even played a few records at the same time to check because they seemed so slow.
I'm sure he had his reasons but it was always a killer when you would listen to, say, Brisk or Hixxy or someone that would play the tunes pitched up, then Dougal would come on and it would just sound ssoooo ssllooowwwww in comparison.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2019/01/30 : 10:42:24
A lot of music was made at that speed, live sets just made it seem faster.
He probably started off at the BPM of the slowest tune in the mix and kept it at that.
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kazukism92
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Posted - 2019/01/30 : 16:01:59
Let's talk about mix vs original and master tracks.
Easy thing to talk, and can be good if you dedicate to mix something using the mp3/wav or vinyl tracks.
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Captain Triceps
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Posted - 2019/01/30 : 22:00:27
Almost every other DJ pitched the tunes up, whether in live sets or studio mixes. Double seemed to start with his first track at 0 pitch and work the rest of the set around that speed. Which again, just ruined the vibe. It's Like in the techno room, listening to Scorpio and Producer back to back, then M-Zone comes on straight after.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2019/02/01 : 18:02:57
Dougal was famous for fading some tracks in and out instead of mixing.
Some good tunes on the mixes though but aside from Shooting Star (and the remix he used twice) is would be Sharkey who as usual would dominate
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2019/02/02 : 04:09:16
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
Dougal was famous for fading some tracks in and out instead of mixing.
Some good tunes on the mixes though but aside from Shooting Star (and the remix he used twice) is would be Sharkey who as usual would dominate
You know, sometimes the fading out trick works. I don't understand why he used the Force & Styles remix of Shooting Star twice though on the same CD series.
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2019/02/02 : 16:27:08
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
Dougal was famous for fading some tracks in and out instead of mixing.
Some good tunes on the mixes though but aside from Shooting Star (and the remix he used twice) is would be Sharkey who as usual would dominate
You know, sometimes the fading out trick works. I don't understand why he used the Force & Styles remix of Shooting Star twice though on the same CD series.
Fading out can be harmless in the right context but using the same track twice on two consecutive releases seems a bit dull. Of course tracks get reused on the 'classic' themed versions but you should only use a remix on a following release if anything. Indeed the original Shooting Star was on Bonkers 4 already
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Craigavon raver
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Posted - 2019/02/17 : 18:24:08
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Originally posted by warped_candykid:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
Dougal was famous for fading some tracks in and out instead of mixing.
Some good tunes on the mixes though but aside from Shooting Star (and the remix he used twice) is would be Sharkey who as usual would dominate
You know, sometimes the fading out trick works. I don't understand why he used the Force & Styles remix of Shooting Star twice though on the same CD series.
Yeah that 1 was a bit mind boggling, because i'm sure he could of found another track to use, or indeed any track to use if he needed to fill up the mix, or just leave it at 15 tracks instead of 16, or unless he loved the tune so much he couldn't help using it again lol
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/02/21 : 13:52:13
Dougal was always slower than everyone else. Even in Kinetic.
He tended to anthem bash and play long drawn out mixes tbh, he appealed to the women mainly.
Where as the rest of us leaned more towards Brisk, Slipmatt, Sy etc, who picked up the pace a bit (Brisk obviously) and weren't quite as cheesey.
I didn't mind Dougal tbh in the early days, his DS 20 set was really good. Played a remix of Harmony that I have never been able to track down. Must have either been a dubplate or an unreleased version.
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htid_4_life
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Posted - 2019/02/25 : 19:14:15
I don't agree about Sharkey being the best mix, for the first two bonkers albums they were were good but not for me after.
Dougal might well have been an anthem basher but he and mickey skeedale produced some big tunes. I always thought his sets were slower, but as it was vinyl he probably did so to try and mix better
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/02/26 : 10:32:22
Dougal always been a better producer than DJ imo. And he works better with someone, in fact I can't think of when he didn't work with someone. Part from maybe porn.
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Sulphurik
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Posted - 2019/03/11 : 17:43:44
Gotta Go remix on Dougal's Bonkers 3 mix, is it a Dougal & DNA remix? Sounds like DNA involved in it.
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GrahamC
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Posted - 2019/03/11 : 18:12:35
Once i had all the tools in early 99, I ripped the CDs, used sound-forge to batch pitch every track, saved them and then burned them out to CD
Problem solved :D
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2019/03/12 : 04:32:03
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Originally posted by Sulphurik:
Gotta Go remix on Dougal's Bonkers 3 mix, is it a Dougal & DNA remix? Sounds like DNA involved in it.
I've always wondered who did the remix. It's a great tune.
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