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rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
653 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/01/27 : 09:09:01
How do you guys think this sound would go down at events in the UK & Netherlands?
I really think it is a formula that is just waiting to be pushed by someone. When you think about it. Hardcore reached it's peak in 1996 when everyone was using heavy kicks in productions. Not too different to the Hardstyle kicks of today.
You just have to look at how big Rezerection events got up North. They were the biggest hard music raves by a mile in the UK at the time and were dominated by heavy kick hardcore being produced at a prolific rate by guys like Scott Brown.
This is why Hardstyle has gotten so big and UK Hardcore has taken a bit of a back seat. Kids will always like music with heavy kicks.
Rezurrection Rave. When real Hardcore kicks dominated the scene at a 170 clicks.
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Captain Triceps Advanced Member
United Kingdom
2,205 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2019/01/27 : 09:36:14
Personally I find hardstyle boring as fuck. I've always been up for a bouncy techno revival though!
It wasn't just the kicks either back then - its the stabs, the production techniques, the samples, the simplicity of it all. Just a different time in general.
I thought a lot of modern hardcore actually did have hardstyle influence, anyway?
Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,636 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2019/01/27 : 11:42:35
Yeah it already does
don't think just changing one more element (making the kick harder) will make a whole lot of difference. Pretty clear that hardcore in the uk is offering nothing to the new generation that they can't already get elsewhere.
Bit different stateside I would say. But the difference is its still pretty fresh and new to them over there.
Impulse_Response Advanced Member
United States
724 posts Joined: Jun, 2013
Posted - 2019/01/27 : 18:04:40
I would be sad. Why waste the effort on 170 hardstyle, when you can make 170 hardcore and have a chance of it actually sounding good?
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rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
653 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/01/27 : 23:09:56
It has been done, but not to the amount where someone can play a set with it.
Hardcore was Trance sped up to 170 for nearly 15 years which was'nt really proper Hardcore either.
So if it can work for Trance why wouldn't it work with Hardstyle? A genre which is far more closely related to to Hardcore than Trance ever was.
The scene never really recovered from the mid 90s when they weakened the sound. Nothing sounds more like proper Hardcore than heavy baselines at 170bpm.
I am not saying emulate every single element of Hardstyle. I just think the kicks guys like Headhunters, Devin Wild & Adrenalize use would really work.
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Triquatra Moderator
United Kingdom
12,636 posts Joined: Nov, 2003
Posted - 2019/01/28 : 10:01:02
No, I'm talking dance music being mainstream, completely commercial and accessible to everyone.
It's been mainstream, commercial, accessible and acceptable in the UK since the early-mid 90s.
Whereas it wasn't until toward the end of the 2000s for the US.
A glance at the UK vs US charts over the years highlights the cultural shift pretty well.
DJ_FunDaBounce Advanced Member
Colombia
2,037 posts Joined: Nov, 2001
Posted - 2019/01/28 : 15:28:54
Thanx, Triq.
Uk chart seems more like what I was listening to that year while U.S chart seems more like what my sister was! (RnB fan).
One thing did strike me as being behind the times while I lived in LA, and that was the lack of producers within the rave scene. Record shops were all over the place, though.
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Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,194 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2019/01/30 : 09:04:49
personally, I've always been more of a melody guy, so hard style kinda works for me. Definitly a lot better than the bloody stuff that appeared on Clublan Xtreme Hardcore before that died
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rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
653 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/02/03 : 00:19:47
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Banger!!!
Fark yeah!!! That is exactly what I am talking about.
That would go off at a party. Hard raw basslines and lots of energy mixed with melody. What hardcore should be.
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rafferty Advanced Member
United Kingdom
653 posts Joined: Feb, 2012
Posted - 2019/02/03 : 00:26:09
quote:Originally posted by Samination:
personally, I've always been more of a melody guy, so hard style kinda works for me. Definitly a lot better than the bloody stuff that appeared on Clublan Xtreme Hardcore before that died
Yeah the only thing that stops Hardstyle from being called Hardcore is the speed.
Every other element of the genre reminds me so much of Hardcore. I never liked the reverse bass shite though. Only the rawstyle stuff.
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