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baakaara New Member
United Kingdom
47 posts Joined: Feb, 2018
Posted - 2019/01/02 : 15:56:58
Was once great, the tunes were happy and uplifting, with beautiful vocals. However now sadly it is full of SHIT HOUSES who have diluted the scene with Warpy trappy dub steppy 150bm HORSE SHITE. There are only 3 BIG players which still produce happy warm uplifting hardcore which are:
Fracus & Darwin
Technikore
Darren Styles (To an extent)
The rest are bunch of sell out SHIT HOUSES who have robbed the fans !
warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
3,968 posts Joined: Jan, 2004
Posted - 2019/01/02 : 17:11:20
Actually, you forgot Al Storm & Scott Brown. Fracus & Darwin & Darren Styles are quickly becoming two sides of the same coin with that commercial/polished sound with tracks that have no intros to mix with.
Vladel Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,520 posts Joined: Feb, 2008
Posted - 2019/01/02 : 19:18:09
Fracus and Darwin are seeming to go that way and to be honest, they are as annoying as they are great at times. The latest album is a great example of this. As for Alstorm, i totally agree that he is great these days and i know he is working his socks off on the 90's stuff too. In terms of the happy uplifting stuff, you need to be looking at HPTG Music (label) also, M-project and Daniel Seven is about my favourite producer for to years running now.
It is much harder to find good music at the moment.
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Impulse_Response Advanced Member
United States
724 posts Joined: Jun, 2013
Posted - 2019/01/03 : 06:12:40
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
Fracus & Darwin & Darren Styles are quickly becoming two sides of the same coin with that commercial/polished sound with tracks that have no intros to mix with.
I feel this way a lot. I buy most HU stuff but Fracus & Darwin usually leave me underwhelmed now. So many of their tracks promise a lot and then kill the energy with simple, bland leads and a commercial pop vibe. I wish Darwin would bring back the glory of tracks like Connected and Let Me In.
I'm also way too picky about modern stuff and usually only get 2-3 tracks I like off any album, whether HU, other UK Hardcore, Japanese hardcore or otherwise, so anything I say is best ignored.
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Producers and record labels, please stop "loudness war" mastering everything. It sounds terrible.
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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,503 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
3,968 posts Joined: Jan, 2004
Posted - 2019/01/03 : 21:23:24
Yes! I wish Darwin would go back to the style of tracks like Connected and Light Up My Life, with interesting leads, rough percussion, and cheesy vocals. His tracks use to have a nice bit of chaos in them. Maybe one day.
SparkzMusic Senior Member
Zimbabwe
334 posts Joined: Apr, 2011
Posted - 2019/01/05 : 00:10:17
The "Styles and Dougal - Home" track isn't that bad.
Just funny how it's really Stonebank. The production, everything, is no different to "ripped to pieces". Even that follow on into the breakdown (Where last few notes of main melody is repeated off beat in next breakdown/build).
So thats percs and stuff... Styles. The rest is Stonebank (weather him doing it or a technique Styles learned off him).
Apart from making a few cups of PG tips during the process, I would wonder what Dougal has put into that collab? **** all being the likely answer.
Mansy Senior Member
United Kingdom
424 posts Joined: Feb, 2007
Posted - 2019/01/05 : 14:39:01
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Apart from making a few cups of PG tips during the process, I would wonder what Dougal has put into that collab? **** all being the likely answer.
Well we are yet to see a proper upfront solo track from him arent we. I heard on the hardcore heaven sanctury dvd (2003) when they were interviewing gammer (when he was first on the scene) that dougal was incharge of mixdowns so whether or not he still follows that path i dont no
Vladel Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,520 posts Joined: Feb, 2008
Posted - 2019/01/05 : 16:25:34
quote:Originally posted by Mansy:
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Apart from making a few cups of PG tips during the process, I would wonder what Dougal has put into that collab? **** all being the likely answer.
Well we are yet to see a proper upfront solo track from him arent we. I heard on the hardcore heaven sanctury dvd (2003) when they were interviewing gammer (when he was first on the scene) that dougal was incharge of mixdowns so whether or not he still follows that path i dont no
Dougal - senses. From 2017, one of the HU hardcore heaven albums.
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Mental_Adam Advanced Member
United Kingdom
843 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2019/01/06 : 00:43:04
I don't know jack about a lot of the music/scene since 2008. I am pretty much a nostalgic of the 1990s stuff and the stuff when i was a teenager in the 2000s.
The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,486 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2019/01/06 : 10:33:18
quote:Originally posted by Mansy:
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Apart from making a few cups of PG tips during the process, I would wonder what Dougal has put into that collab? **** all being the likely answer.
Well we are yet to see a proper upfront solo track from him arent we. I heard on the hardcore heaven sanctury dvd (2003) when they were interviewing gammer (when he was first on the scene) that dougal was incharge of mixdowns so whether or not he still follows that path i dont no
There are plenty of examples of producers who dont have any solo tracks in their back catalogue. Sy being one. His tracks with Unknown are now legendary but Unknowns stint as a solo producer showed him to be average at best. Im struggling to think of many Brisk solo tracks too.
Back to Dougal, I always thought that he added plenty of value to his tracks. Dougal and Gammer tracks always sounded a lot more polished and generally miles better than Gammers solo work for example.
I agree with the initial point about his new tracks with Styles however. Sounds identical to all of the generic shite that has been coming out for the last couple of years. All of the sounds are preset and its difficult to see what influence he might have had on the track when Styles has been producing very similar tracks on his own for a while. Compare it to one of my all time favourites and possibly one of Dougal and Styles first collabs - Still the one. I thought both producers had a notable input with their sounds at that time.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,503 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2019/01/07 : 13:51:31
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by Mansy:
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Apart from making a few cups of PG tips during the process, I would wonder what Dougal has put into that collab? **** all being the likely answer.
Well we are yet to see a proper upfront solo track from him arent we. I heard on the hardcore heaven sanctury dvd (2003) when they were interviewing gammer (when he was first on the scene) that dougal was incharge of mixdowns so whether or not he still follows that path i dont no
There are plenty of examples of producers who dont have any solo tracks in their back catalogue. Sy being one. His tracks with Unknown are now legendary but Unknowns stint as a solo producer showed him to be average at best. Im struggling to think of many Brisk solo tracks too.
Brisk did some good remixes back in the day. His remix of Breeze's Jump a Little Higher is on of his best but overlooked works
SparkzMusic Senior Member
Zimbabwe
334 posts Joined: Apr, 2011
Posted - 2019/01/07 : 19:09:19
Dougal's dad was heavily involved with Dreamscape and doing photo stuff. Maybe helped Dougal be a part of it.
Styles has had all round talent and proved that. Dougal? Who knows. Gammer? Yep (not anymore). Breeze (nah). Hixxy? (Probably).
That's the thing with the scene aint it?
For the big names, someone carried someones else who learned a few bits which made their name noticeable because of who they worked with or the scene was in it's infancy.
They get carried further by someone else and so on.
Let's be fair here, "Vibes" is a classic example of this. What has he done at all?
Worked with Wishdokta. Got booked for events and paired with Livelee (Playing go mental and so on). Somehow booked for Bonkers 6 mix.
Then stole someone else's production as his own ("Z.o.e.e - Techno wonderland" in its original form was re-pressed and claimed as his own), which also puts in doubt his collabs with Wishdokta as likely having minimal input if he has to claim someone else's work as his own.
Consumed a can of stella in an IMO records interview, was somehow booked to do a mix for Dreamsape millennium collection.... and.... Oh wait?
Why didn't he include his "ravers choice - techno wonderland" in the mix for that? Perhaps as the album was released by Beechwood music and they would have uncovered his scam with that?
Carried on showcasing as the Vibes and Livelee parody show. Comes back into "producing" under Vibes and that other lad.
robertybob Senior Member
United Kingdom
328 posts Joined: Jul, 2005
Posted - 2019/01/08 : 12:13:16
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
quote:Originally posted by Mansy:
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Apart from making a few cups of PG tips during the process, I would wonder what Dougal has put into that collab? **** all being the likely answer.
Well we are yet to see a proper upfront solo track from him arent we. I heard on the hardcore heaven sanctury dvd (2003) when they were interviewing gammer (when he was first on the scene) that dougal was incharge of mixdowns so whether or not he still follows that path i dont no
Dougal - senses. From 2017, one of the HU hardcore heaven albums.
It's credited as a D&G track on Gammer's Jap-only album
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,179 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2019/01/08 : 12:37:59
quote:Originally posted by robertybob:
quote:Originally posted by Vladel:
quote:Originally posted by Mansy:
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
Apart from making a few cups of PG tips during the process, I would wonder what Dougal has put into that collab? **** all being the likely answer.
Well we are yet to see a proper upfront solo track from him arent we. I heard on the hardcore heaven sanctury dvd (2003) when they were interviewing gammer (when he was first on the scene) that dougal was incharge of mixdowns so whether or not he still follows that path i dont no
Dougal - senses. From 2017, one of the HU hardcore heaven albums.
It's credited as a D&G track on Gammer's Jap-only album
I wonder if "Yabai" (やばい) in this case means Shit/Crap/Terrible. I doubt it means Oh Shit/It's Dangerous or Cool/Terrific/Awesome :P
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