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Future_Shock
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 Posted - 2014/02/09 : 15:54:36
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
i got a lot of help from people on here when i started to take production seriously (my tracks were nowhere near as bad as this) but comparing my older tracks to the tracks i make now they sound 1000x better than when i 1st started
if you like i could send you some bassline, melody, pads over in midi & wav format so you can get an idea of what i've learned but you should take any feedback you can get even if it is negative even if it means you have to start a track all over again that way you can eventually turn the negative into positive
Feel free to send what you want but I won't change my methods as I enjoy what I am doing and what I make, it might not be what everyone was but then I have always liked a different type of Hardcore to most people on here. Basslines will never be stronger than hard kicks and I will always use hard kicks
I have no interest to being signed to a label as a producer or follow the same lead that everyone else is doing which is why I have no interest in Hardcore anyway
*Sigh*
Smoogie this entire track is out of key. It's not music. Even your beloved old skool hardcore and bouncy techno is in key. He mentioned sending you midi files for the purpose of learning how music is composed so you can learn to compose one in key - in whatever style or genre you want.
Music being in key is a prerequisite, not a style or method.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 15:56:16
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
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Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
I notice an improvement over previous works. Keep at it Smoogie.
Your replies just show you're way too arrogant to think this is anything but fantastic and it is TERRIBLE. It's also an insult to Ken. Not to say you can't improve (everyone can - it's a learned skill) but you need to stop blowing off people's criticisms cos you're a twat.
End of.
How was it an insult to Ken?
Because you're wasting his time by sending him stuff like this when we're TELLING you how to fix it - not even opinions just music FUNDAMENTALS.
He will not (and rightly so) release music that is out of key. We're telling you it's out of key and needs to be fixed for it to be music... You just don't want to listen.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 15:57:40
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Originally posted by djDMS:
Flogging a dead horse here lads.
And not in the good way!
Yes, i know, triple post. Suck a sponge.
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lurker
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 16:18:39
This is amazing. I'm gonna go throw out my HU CDs because this track exists and isn't on any of them. It's that good.
Absolutely phenomenal.
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 18:23:15
Absoluetly deluded.
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 18:52:48
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Absoluetly deluded.
lol what an entertaining read to wake up to!
as far as your question goes, the thought had crossed my mind, but I don't believe I have the patience for it. I barely had the patience to learn how to mix lol.
I have to have someone be there to show me the ropes because I couldn't see myself learning it all on my own.
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 19:22:59
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
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Originally posted by Elipton:
Absoluetly deluded.
lol what an entertaining read to wake up to!
as far as your question goes, the thought had crossed my mind, but I don't believe I have the patience for it. I barely had the patience to learn how to mix lol.
I have to have someone be there to show me the ropes because I couldn't see myself learning it all on my own.
i'd imagine you to be pretty decent i learned how to produce on my own i think thats how my music doesn't really sound like anyone else's maybe that's what smoogie is trying to do
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 19:51:36
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
i'd imagine you to be pretty decent i learned how to produce on my own i think thats how my music doesn't really sound like anyone else's maybe that's what smoogie is trying to do
It would be boring if everyone made the same stuff all the time which is what has happened to Hardcore over the last 10 or so years which is why, like I said, I don't listen to anything new now unless it stands out. I already know whats going to be on the next CLXH Cd before even buying it
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Elipton
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Posted - 2014/02/09 : 21:34:09
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
i'd imagine you to be pretty decent i learned how to produce on my own i think thats how my music doesn't really sound like anyone else's maybe that's what smoogie is trying to do
It would be boring if everyone made the same stuff all the time which is what has happened to Hardcore over the last 10 or so years which is why, like I said, I don't listen to anything new now unless it stands out. I already know whats going to be on the next CLXH Cd before even buying it
You need to make it music before it sounds like anything else. The issue is, you've got a bunch of sounda together that dont work together. Its not any kind of music yet, because its not music.
Basslines, percussion and structure dont make it identical to all other music. You need to get the fundamentals learnt, then inject your creativity to make it different and unique.
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ricHARDcore
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Posted - 2014/02/10 : 02:00:23
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Originally posted by Elipton:
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
i'd imagine you to be pretty decent i learned how to produce on my own i think thats how my music doesn't really sound like anyone else's maybe that's what smoogie is trying to do
It would be boring if everyone made the same stuff all the time which is what has happened to Hardcore over the last 10 or so years which is why, like I said, I don't listen to anything new now unless it stands out. I already know whats going to be on the next CLXH Cd before even buying it
You need to make it music before it sounds like anything else. The issue is, you've got a bunch of sounda together that dont work together. Its not any kind of music yet, because its not music.
Basslines, percussion and structure dont make it identical to all other music. You need to get the fundamentals learnt, then inject your creativity to make it different and unique.
Totally agree with you! For me, i've been producing hardcore since 6 or 7 years now. My first attempt were not very good but this is part of the game. I loved it, but I've kept it for myself as I knew it was not good enough to be released. Since then, I've read a lot about it, took courses, took advice from my pairs etc.
That's a long way too go but now that I begin to do good tracks, I'm really proud of myself. Everybody would do music if it was an easy task.
Producing music is not something as easy as it seem to be. There's a lot of things to learn and you never stop to learn how to make your sounds greater.
For the part that you want to do music for you, I can understand you. I'm thinking the same but you have to understand that the music was there before you and it as evolve to what it is today. So, some basic rules are applying to all EDM, with some variations but you have to learn them. And it's the same for the chords my friends. It's not that bad.
When you will have get throught that, you will be able to apply your own style to it and then you'll have good comments.
I've been in the same situation a couple of years ago, friends were telling me to learn the basics. i took it badly because I'm emotional when it comes to my music. i have think about stopping but I didn't. I've took on myself and I took those comments as advices and now I can say that they were right about it.
If you post something, you need to take advices that people give you.
But never let it go, just keep on producing and you will get to it.
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i_rawtrax
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Posted - 2014/02/12 : 19:45:56
Hi Smoogie!
You seem to like it, so I would keep going with it mate!
You have some nice individual elements there. Just need to bring them together a bit and it will start sounding much better!
Like others have said; there is no structure to it. Try and build an intro before you introduce the main melody, so you can see it coming.
Throw in some high end percussion as well (hi-hats/a clap), it will sound much brighter then. The kick sounds lonely all on its own :)
The kick is nice and beefy, no need to keep dropping it in & out. Choose when it needs to come in, and then roll with it until you need the mix space.
Hope you keep going with it!
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2014/02/13 : 02:12:31
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Originally posted by i_rawtrax:
Hi Smoogie!
You seem to like it, so I would keep going with it mate!
You have some nice individual elements there. Just need to bring them together a bit and it will start sounding much better!
Like others have said; there is no structure to it. Try and build an intro before you introduce the main melody, so you can see it coming.
Throw in some high end percussion as well (hi-hats/a clap), it will sound much brighter then. The kick sounds lonely all on its own :)
The kick is nice and beefy, no need to keep dropping it in & out. Choose when it needs to come in, and then roll with it until you need the mix space.
Hope you keep going with it!
Cheers for the feedback I have more tunes like this to come. I already have my own trademark style and some even better bassdrums to come as well. All my tunes will be hard, no softcore here lol
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maddkid53
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Posted - 2014/02/13 : 06:29:11
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
wtf did i just listen to??
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Smoogie
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Posted - 2014/02/13 : 11:07:00
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Originally posted by maddkid53:
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
wtf did i just listen to??
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The Dopeman
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Posted - 2014/02/13 : 16:32:58
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by maddkid53:
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Originally posted by The Dopeman:
wtf did i just listen to??
i see no words!!! :O
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