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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2012/04/03 : 22:54:07

ACTA:

Go to a music shop and steal a CD with 12 tracks
> few months jail sentence, or fine of few hundreds of dollars

Illegally download the same album
> few/several years jail sentence, or fine up to 2 million dollars

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Triquatra
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Posted - 2012/04/03 : 22:55:04

I'm not talking about ACTA either!
this is a new one they're pulling.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17590363 :)

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Edited by - Triquatra on 2012/04/03 23:03:54

cruelcore1
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Posted - 2012/04/04 : 08:02:54

quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
I'm not talking about ACTA either!
this is a new one they're pulling.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17590363 :)

monitoring millions of people? yeah right! I cant wait to see that, its gonna be hilarious.

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Posted - 2012/04/04 : 08:30:04

^ it works by having the ISP save the details, not a central agency or central database - just lots of little ones. Govenment would then be able to access details they need without a warrent (currently they need a warrent).

this kind of bill wouldn't be able to be brought in in the USA as you are protected by your constitution, of course just like SOPA/PIPA it can still affect you if you interact with anyone in the UK...

course, it hasn't gone anywhere just yet...its only at the debating stage.

it all comes back to the freedom vs privacy thing, no system is perfect but when it comes to freedom and privacy I think the states are very very lucky to have such a strong constitution that is keeping politicans in check who sometimes lose sight of freedom and privacy in place of safety.

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cruelcore1
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Posted - 2012/04/04 : 09:48:15

Oh, I thought itd be worse. So, randomizing people hoping to inspect the whole nation within a year? I don't think that'd work. After all, politicians' parties need votes on further elections. Ruining people's privacy might make them less popular.
Promote internet shopping and in several years time much more considerable amount of people will buy legally.

EDIT: What am I saying. People vote for a specific party because their family or friends told them to, and they rarely change attitudes. Not because someone promotes their privacy.

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Warnman
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Posted - 2012/04/04 : 18:57:51

Isn't this EU-law? Germany still needs to adopt it as well, but our liberal party thankfully has been blocking it, risking the EU to fine our country.
The best way to safe your contry is to stay away from our European dictatorship.

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Triquatra
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Posted - 2012/04/04 : 19:22:00

nope this specific to england, though there is half a chance that it may get blocked at the European court? *shrugs*

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Dys7
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Posted - 2012/04/04 : 22:38:27

quote:
Originally posted by Triquatra:
^ it works by having the ISP save the details, not a central agency or central database - just lots of little ones. Govenment would then be able to access details they need without a warrent (currently they need a warrent).

this kind of bill wouldn't be able to be brought in in the USA as you are protected by your constitution, of course just like SOPA/PIPA it can still affect you if you interact with anyone in the UK...

course, it hasn't gone anywhere just yet...its only at the debating stage.

it all comes back to the freedom vs privacy thing, no system is perfect but when it comes to freedom and privacy I think the states are very very lucky to have such a strong constitution that is keeping politicans in check who sometimes lose sight of freedom and privacy in place of safety.

Constitution is no good in America, the government is violating it horribly already.
Government currently has the right to access all your private information and wiretap you without your consent or even knowledge.
They also can arrest and detain anyone without a trial for as long as they want. Look up the 2012 NDAA and the P.A.T.R.I.O.T. act.
Both go against not only the constitution but the universal declaration of human rights as well.

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Dys7
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Posted - 2012/04/04 : 22:40:06

I've literally written essays on why this isn't true. :
We've been violating cruel and unusual punishment since Abu Ghraib, as well. Forget waterboarding, we've chained people completely still for days, had women pee on them, make them wear dog collars and perform tricks, a whole lot of bad stuff.

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Edited by - Dys7 on 2012/04/04 22:44:33

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Posted - 2012/04/05 : 06:41:04

your constitution is still stronger that what we have over here, which is what i was getting at

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