Revs Advanced Member
Austria
2,583 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2011/10/31 : 23:05:08
It is indeed great, especially on those huge sound systems which these guys can affoard hehe.
The thing here is most people from this forum never go out - that's why they'll never understand. Same thing for minimal drops etc they just don't understand that it sounds completely different in clubs.
Anyway I know Afrojack personally and he's definitely a great guy! His manager even remembered me months later when we met again, after he added me on Facebook! Crazy. So famous and they remember ME haha... I don't know why but it was a really fun night :)
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 14:01:44
quote:Originally posted by Revs:
It is indeed great, especially on those huge sound systems which these guys can affoard hehe.
The thing here is most people from this forum never go out - that's why they'll never understand. Same thing for minimal drops etc they just don't understand that it sounds completely different in clubs.
Minimal drops work if you're gammer and throw in a couple of 3 minute ones in a set, but when the whole set in comprised of tracks with minimal drops then it flatlines the party experience. Maybe the scene is different in Austria but in the UK most of us are getting pretty bored of it and tbh I think I've been to a lot more raves than you have.
Hard2Get Advanced Member
United Kingdom
12,837 posts Joined: Jun, 2001
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 14:20:47
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Revs:
It is indeed great, especially on those huge sound systems which these guys can affoard hehe.
The thing here is most people from this forum never go out - that's why they'll never understand. Same thing for minimal drops etc they just don't understand that it sounds completely different in clubs.
Minimal drops work if you're gammer and throw in a couple of 3 minute ones in a set, but when the whole set in comprised of tracks with minimal drops then it flatlines the party experience. Maybe the scene is different in Austria but in the UK most of us are getting pretty bored of it and tbh I think I've been to a lot more raves than you have.
Unless you like minimal House/Techno, then it is the party.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 14:30:22
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
what is a minimal drop?
^ You know what a minimal drop is :P
Revs sorry if I come across a bit harsh here but I keep seeing you trying to justify your tastes with an elitist attitude towards everybody else on these boards.
What goes down best in a club is whatever the people on the dancefloor like. It has nothing to do with whether it is minimal or not. Minimal is just at a greater danger of becoming boring much quicker because it is all very, very similar sounding in comparison to more 'full' sounds and parties and raves are built upon breakdowns, climaxes and momentum. Playing a full set of this music is (for a lack of a better word) boring and only favoured because of its current popularity.
Progressive and minimal electronic music has been around for as long as any other type of electronic music, if they were honestly better on the dancefloor then we would have favoured them for the majority of the 80s and 90s. But we did not.
I'm not trying to say all minimal is bad, I'm just saying that there is a time and a place for it and it is not all the time and everywhere.
The biggest recent house hit isn't actually anything by deadmau5 or Afrojack or any dutch house as the trends of the internet may lead you to believe, it was actually Duck Sauce - Barbara Streisand which is continuing to tear down the clubs of NYC even now because it's catchy and has a great main-room party vibe. Compare 4 million views of Take Over Control or even 23 Million views of Ghosts n Stuff to 37 million views of Barbara Streisand. And that's just youtube. Ironically you're the one that's out of touch with what's going on in clubs!
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 14:43:40
quote:Originally posted by Hard2Get:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Revs:
It is indeed great, especially on those huge sound systems which these guys can affoard hehe.
The thing here is most people from this forum never go out - that's why they'll never understand. Same thing for minimal drops etc they just don't understand that it sounds completely different in clubs.
Minimal drops work if you're gammer and throw in a couple of 3 minute ones in a set, but when the whole set in comprised of tracks with minimal drops then it flatlines the party experience. Maybe the scene is different in Austria but in the UK most of us are getting pretty bored of it and tbh I think I've been to a lot more raves than you have.
Unless you like minimal House/Techno, then it is the party.
Well yeah, but those are both genres built upon being minimal and are structured differently as a result. I'm actually a big tech house/prog house fan and it never disappoints me but when you have a genre built on peaking and dropping and DJ sets constructed around this behaviour you end up with a very flat experience when you try and mix minimal the same way.
This is why I mentioned Gammer, his minimal tracks are minimal right from the get-go, so there's no real disappointment and everyone knows what they're going to get, and it's enjoyable. But, almost everyone who has tried to copy the minimal style has just taken the standard cookie-cutter hardcore song template, and replaced a normal drop with a minimal one. That's why so much music nowadays is just churned out, people are just taking bog standard templates and cutting + pasting different noises and effects in without thinking about how it affects the song as a whole.
This is also why dubstep hardcore is never going to really impress the dubstep fans, dubstep is structured for a dubstep drop, hardcore isn't. Unless you change the structure of the track totally it'll just sound gimmicky.
Revs Advanced Member
Austria
2,583 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 17:32:05
First, I don't think you can know to how many raves I have been...
Second, you clearly don't know about genres because Barbra Streisand isn't even really House - Duck Sauce is an alias from Armand van Helden and A-Trak for their commercial projects which are ment to compete with Edward Maya, Don Omar, David Guetta or the Black Eyed Peas, not with Afrojack or Deadmau5...
And apparently Minimal Drops work better than "melodic drops" (I love them both) or why are they being more and more popular? Because producers are too lazy? If they were the producers wouldn't become more and more popular either.
And sorry but - Minimal is mainstream, no matter where you live.
This topic was about House, but you're dragging Duck Sauce and I don't know who else in this topic, it proves you clearly have no idea about the scene - because we're talking about how people in the House scene like it, and not if Britney Spears has more views ;) And at the moment the ravers of the House scene definitely prefer minimal drops to melodic tracks because all "hits" in this scene right now are tracks with minimal drops (such as Take over Control or Knas).
If you want to compare Youtube views... well, Loca People also has 31 million views and wasn't even ever ment to be a hit, but nevermind.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 18:36:02
quote:Originally posted by Revs:
First, I don't think you can know to how many raves I have been...
Second, you clearly don't know about genres because Barbra Streisand isn't even really House - Duck Sauce is an alias from Armand van Helden and A-Trak for their commercial projects which are ment to compete with Edward Maya, Don Omar, David Guetta or the Black Eyed Peas, not with Afrojack or Deadmau5...
And apparently Minimal Drops work better than "melodic drops" (I love them both) or why are they being more and more popular? Because producers are too lazy? If they were the producers wouldn't become more and more popular either.
And sorry but - Minimal is mainstream, no matter where you live.
This topic was about House, but you're dragging Duck Sauce and I don't know who else in this topic, it proves you clearly have no idea about the scene - because we're talking about how people in the House scene like it, and not if Britney Spears has more views ;) And at the moment the ravers of the House scene definitely prefer minimal drops to melodic tracks because all "hits" in this scene right now are tracks with minimal drops (such as Take over Control or Knas).
If you want to compare Youtube views... well, Loca People also has 31 million views and wasn't even ever ment to be a hit, but nevermind.
"Commercial" isn't a genre. Duck Sauce is House Music. Simple as. Armand makes House music.
The fact you use the word "house ravers" is enough for me. I'm sorry but you simply do not have a clue. Quite how you're a mod even is puzzling considering how much you manage to wind up other members on a regular basis.
Have you travelled to the US? Have you been to the UK? Are you here currently? No. You can't tell us that 'Minimal is mainstream everywhere' if you haven't been everywhere. It's not mainstream everywhere and if you got off the internet and actually went to the UK or the USA you'd find that actually electronic music full stop isn't as mainstream as you might like to believe.
No offense but your english isn't that good either and I'm having a hard time understanding what this means:
"And apparently Minimal Drops work better than "melodic drops" (I love them both) or why are they being more and more popular? Because producers are too lazy? If they were the producers wouldn't become more and more popular either."
No, producers are not all lazy, for the past 20 years or so, house has had a rich, full, melodic sound. Producers are trying different things (although I'm sure a lot of them are lazy) to switch up the pace, then rude people like you come along and argue that it's much better whenever someone says they don't like it and makes a valid case as to why they don't like it.
The minimal sound is a lot like dubstep, popular for a couple of years as a fad and then fades away. Sorry if you don't like it, but that's just fact. People have been saying for months now that deadmau5 is past it and a lot of people treat Afrojack like a joke (no disrespect to him) for all his tracks sounding the same.
Read some of the comments and you will understand why people dislike this music and why it isn't actually that good from a musical perspective. You're no doubt surrounded by other Afrojack fans so I'm not suprised you think he's much popular than he is, you remind me of Hardcore fans who seem to think that Hardcore is massive in the UK when most people wouldn't recognise darren styles in the street let alone on the radio.
If you want to know what the bleeding edge of electronic music is you should check out electro-swing, I predict a big big comeback for the swing sound. This is being played a LOT at clubs around here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iONUSv_n4lQ
Sorry but you obviously don't know a thing about House music, not because of your tastes but because of your ignorance. Fact.
EDIT: Also I was listening to Afrojack before there was any dirty dutch house and he was remixing Acid inspired Tech House tunes that DJ Pierre was spinning on his Afro Acid label. So I can probably tell you more about Afrojack than you know, and I'm not even a fan of his.
Alert moderatorEdited by - NekoShuffle on 2011/11/01 18:53:53
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
God it even says on wikipedia that they make House, I know wiki isn't always the best source of information but to say Duck Sauce don't make house music is literally one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. It's like listening to Beethoven and saying "Well it's not really classical music because a lot of people like it".
Honestly man, where do you come up with this stuff?
Wilky Banned
United Kingdom
6,198 posts Joined: Mar, 2008
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 19:03:29
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
what is a minimal drop?
^ You know what a minimal drop is :P
Revs sorry if I come across a bit harsh here but I keep seeing you trying to justify your tastes with an elitist attitude towards everybody else on these boards.
What goes down best in a club is whatever the people on the dancefloor like. It has nothing to do with whether it is minimal or not. Minimal is just at a greater danger of becoming boring much quicker because it is all very, very similar sounding in comparison to more 'full' sounds and parties and raves are built upon breakdowns, climaxes and momentum. Playing a full set of this music is (for a lack of a better word) boring and only favoured because of its current popularity.
Progressive and minimal electronic music has been around for as long as any other type of electronic music, if they were honestly better on the dancefloor then we would have favoured them for the majority of the 80s and 90s. But we did not.
I'm not trying to say all minimal is bad, I'm just saying that there is a time and a place for it and it is not all the time and everywhere.
The biggest recent house hit isn't actually anything by deadmau5 or Afrojack or any dutch house as the trends of the internet may lead you to believe, it was actually Duck Sauce - Barbara Streisand which is continuing to tear down the clubs of NYC even now because it's catchy and has a great main-room party vibe. Compare 4 million views of Take Over Control or even 23 Million views of Ghosts n Stuff to 37 million views of Barbara Streisand. And that's just youtube. Ironically you're the one that's out of touch with what's going on in clubs!
do i??
u got a youtube instance and i can then confirm if i do?
Revs Advanced Member
Austria
2,583 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 20:41:24
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
"Commercial" isn't a genre. Duck Sauce is House Music. Simple as. Armand makes House music.
Again, you don't understand. First, I never said it was a genre. And second, every idiot knows that "commercial music" is a status a song can reach (or not), and this is how songs are classed. Lady Gaga (Pop) and Rihanna (RnB) also make different genres but their songs play in the same "league" (which is commercial music) and that's why they compete each other. You twat.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
The fact you use the word "house ravers" is enough for me. I'm sorry but you simply do not have a clue.
Yes, sorry but there are House ravers aswell. The majority of my friends host events or own nightclubs on their own, and when you're deep in the scene you know that people love the music. But you can't understand when you watch everything from the outside like you do.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Have you travelled to the US? Have you been to the UK? Are you here currently? No. You can't tell us that 'Minimal is mainstream everywhere' if you haven't been everywhere. It's not mainstream everywhere and if you got off the internet and actually went to the UK or the USA you'd find that actually electronic music full stop isn't as mainstream as you might like to believe.
Yes, and you? Again you don't read carefuly at all, you say Electronic Music isn't mainstream, but who was talking about Electronic Music itself? I was talking about a genre inside Electronic Music and therefore referring to it being mainstream in the Electronic Music scene. Sorry but I think it's rather you who has no clue! Or you never had the possibility to learn reading properly, and if that's the case then I'm really sorry for you.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
No offense but your english isn't that good either
As someone who has never lived in an english-speaking country and who has started learning the language only at the age of 11, I am very sorry that these small mistakes confuse you. My private school still gave me the possibility to learn 4 other languages, which I did, and which opened me a lot of doors. I think I still prefer this option rather than being limited to only one language, like you probably do. However, my mistakes wouldn't confuse you that much if you had a little bit of brain, because...
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
and I'm having a hard time understanding what this means:
"And apparently Minimal Drops work better than "melodic drops" (I love them both) or why are they being more and more popular? Because producers are too lazy? If they were the producers wouldn't become more and more popular either."
... if you pay a little bit of attention to my sentence, you would notice there's only a comma missing, so my english can't be that bad I guess. If you add the comma then the sentence would be: If they were, the producers wouldn't become more and more popular either.
If they (the producers) were (were lazy), the producers (they) wouldn't become more and more popular either (like the minimal drops).
Where exactly is the Oh-so-big mistake that makes it so hard for you to read my posts?
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Retarded bullsh*t
Look. You say a lot but you have no sources for anything you say. Actually it's rather you who can't accept the way things are. You claim totally immature things which you can't even know, like you've been to more raves than me or that I haven't travelled to the US. And you predict what genres will become one day. Dubstep absolutely won't fade away, it will just evolve but it will always exist. The "dirty" sound has already disappeared in a lot of tracks, and that makes it a bit "chillout" influenced, but that's just an evolution. Sorry but you sound like me when I was 14, when I did like I knew everything and never needed sources; fact for me was whatever I said. I thought I was like a king, and uber-insider with who nobody could compete. That's what you sound like right now. Difference being I became mature enough to stop this crap. So maybe let some hair grow on your balls first, and then come back.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 20:43:10
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by Wilky:
what is a minimal drop?
^ You know what a minimal drop is :P
Revs sorry if I come across a bit harsh here but I keep seeing you trying to justify your tastes with an elitist attitude towards everybody else on these boards.
What goes down best in a club is whatever the people on the dancefloor like. It has nothing to do with whether it is minimal or not. Minimal is just at a greater danger of becoming boring much quicker because it is all very, very similar sounding in comparison to more 'full' sounds and parties and raves are built upon breakdowns, climaxes and momentum. Playing a full set of this music is (for a lack of a better word) boring and only favoured because of its current popularity.
Progressive and minimal electronic music has been around for as long as any other type of electronic music, if they were honestly better on the dancefloor then we would have favoured them for the majority of the 80s and 90s. But we did not.
I'm not trying to say all minimal is bad, I'm just saying that there is a time and a place for it and it is not all the time and everywhere.
The biggest recent house hit isn't actually anything by deadmau5 or Afrojack or any dutch house as the trends of the internet may lead you to believe, it was actually Duck Sauce - Barbara Streisand which is continuing to tear down the clubs of NYC even now because it's catchy and has a great main-room party vibe. Compare 4 million views of Take Over Control or even 23 Million views of Ghosts n Stuff to 37 million views of Barbara Streisand. And that's just youtube. Ironically you're the one that's out of touch with what's going on in clubs!
do i??
u got a youtube instance and i can then confirm if i do?
To be honest I thought you were joking but okay,
3:07 is where the breakdown starts, 5:03 we hear a minimal drop.
Compare that with this, non-minimal drop (you're probably familiar with this track but still):
1:52 is where the breakdown starts, 3:45 we hear the full, melodic drop.
I'm not trying to say one is better than the other because I think that music is subjective but it's evident that one has a lot more life and a lot more soul and substance.
In house:
1:00 the breakdown starts, 1:45 we hear a minimal drop.
1:59 the breakdown starts, 2:39 we hear the fuller sounding drop.
I could do this for hardcore too but I think I've made my point clear.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 20:46:29
quote:Originally posted by Revs:
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
"Commercial" isn't a genre. Duck Sauce is House Music. Simple as. Armand makes House music.
Again, you don't understand. First, I never said it was a genre. And second, every idiot knows that "commercial music" is a status a song can reach (or not), and this is how songs are classed. Lady Gaga (Pop) and Rihanna (RnB) also make different genres but their songs play in the same "league" (which is commercial music) and that's why they compete each other. You twat.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
The fact you use the word "house ravers" is enough for me. I'm sorry but you simply do not have a clue.
Yes, sorry but there are House ravers aswell. The majority of my friends host events or own nightclubs on their own, and when you're deep in the scene you know that people love the music. But you can't understand when you watch everything from the outside like you do.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Have you travelled to the US? Have you been to the UK? Are you here currently? No. You can't tell us that 'Minimal is mainstream everywhere' if you haven't been everywhere. It's not mainstream everywhere and if you got off the internet and actually went to the UK or the USA you'd find that actually electronic music full stop isn't as mainstream as you might like to believe.
Yes, and you? Again you don't read carefuly at all, you say Electronic Music isn't mainstream, but who was talking about Electronic Music itself? I was talking about a genre inside Electronic Music and therefore referring to it being mainstream in the Electronic Music scene. Sorry but I think it's rather you who has no clue! Or you never had the possibility to learn reading properly, and if that's the case then I'm really sorry for you.
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
No offense but your english isn't that good either
As someone who has never lived in an english-speaking country and who has started learning the language only at the age of 11, I am very sorry that these small mistakes confuse you. My private school still gave me the possibility to learn 4 other languages, which I did, and which opened me a lot of doors. I think I still prefer this option rather than being limited to only one language, like you probably do. However, my mistakes wouldn't confuse you that much if you had a little bit of brain, because...
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
and I'm having a hard time understanding what this means:
"And apparently Minimal Drops work better than "melodic drops" (I love them both) or why are they being more and more popular? Because producers are too lazy? If they were the producers wouldn't become more and more popular either."
... if you pay a little bit of attention to my sentence, you would notice there's only a comma missing, so my english can't be that bad I guess. If you add the comma then the sentence would be: If they were, the producers wouldn't become more and more popular either.
If they (the producers) were (were lazy), the producers (they) wouldn't become more and more popular either (like the minimal drops).
Where exactly is the Oh-so-big mistake that makes it so hard for you to read my posts?
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
Retarded ********
Look. You say a lot but you have no sources for anything you say. Actually it's rather you who can't accept the way things are. You claim totally immature things which you can't even know, like you've been to more raves than me or that I haven't travelled to the US. And you predict what genres will become one day. Dubstep absolutely won't fade away, it will just evolve but it will always exist. The "dirty" sound has already disappeared in a lot of tracks, and that makes it a bit "chillout" influenced, but that's just an evolution. Sorry but you sound like me when I was 14 and did like I knew everything and never needed sources, fact for me was whatever I said. I thought I was a king, and uber-insider with who nobody can compete. That's what you sound like right now. Difference being I became mature enough to stop this crap. So maybe let some hair grow on your balls first, and then come back.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 20:54:36
No offence mate but your post there itself speaks volumes about how much you know and how almost aggressively rude you can be should someone challenge that. Sorry lol but this is over right now, maybe you're just trolling or I've missed a joke or something. Either way I reported the post as I don't appreciate being called a twat, small minded, told that I'm speaking 'retarded bullsh*t' just for voicing my opinion and challenging yours.
Revs Advanced Member
Austria
2,583 posts Joined: Oct, 2008
Posted - 2011/11/01 : 20:54:52
That's the really sad part: I'm 18 and therefore, according to your profile, younger than you.
And now you're trying hard to be funny with "LOL" and an extremely funny picture which should tell us that in this moment right now you're laughing so hard you can't breathe anymore! So funny! ... not.
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quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
No offence mate but your post there itself speaks volumes about how much you know and how almost aggressively rude you can be should someone challenge that. Sorry lol but this is over right now, maybe you're just trolling or I've missed a joke or something. Either way I reported the post as I don't appreciate being called a twat, small minded, told that I'm speaking 'retarded bullsh*t' just for voicing my opinion and challenging yours.
Deary me... lol
Yes thanks I think I got your report?
Sorry but you need to make a difference between insults and facts. This thread is nothing about what you wrote. So basically you've been off-topic all the time. If you don't like Afrojack, you haven't lost anything here.
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