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djDMS
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 Posted - 2011/10/05 : 17:26:51
That's why they're called mixes! 2 or 3 minutes is enough to get an idea of what the track is about, plus it leaves a little bit of mystery for when the unmixed tunes are available. 15 tracks per CD at 4 or 5 minutes each would be a massive letdown.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 18:03:20
There's been trends towards quicker mixing and shorter tracks in recent years, I reckon the balance here is at least close to correct. Some tunes are used as "links", and a lot is done to keep the energy high or enable a sense of progression. It's worth noting that with close to 80 minutes as a cut off for CD, and mixing essentially involving things running at the same time, it takes some creative maths to come up with 2 minutes per track 
If anyone wants to listen to a more leisurely and full track showcase then at least you've got the chance to hear what you like in a oft-fun fashion here.
IMO.
This all said, as always, we'll watch feedback and take on board any concerns once it breaks cover.
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 18:06:15
tbh I still think a fewer tracks help you select out the favorites you like, and that way you can listen to the for longer!
But ofcourse, most tracks are are built up having 2 parts that sounds almost identical. I think alot of tracks in Makina fix that that by the end of the 2nd part, the pitch gets altered to sound different (pitched up)
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robertybob
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 18:31:02
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Originally posted by djDMS:
2 or 3 minutes is enough to get an idea of what the track is about, plus it leaves a little bit of mystery for when the unmixed tunes are available. 15 tracks per CD at 4 or 5 minutes each would be a massive letdown.
Fair enough , it wouldn't be a problem if tracks were released FREQUENTLY, but often it takes 3 or 4 months for a handful to be released at a time. With the scene being the way it is, you'd think people would want to get everything out asap to keep the interest there, but for some reason everything takes so damn long to do in the hardcore scene.
I'm really disappointed by the fact so many of the tracks will be a minute or two in length. It's what pissed me off with HU4 , and the reason why I appreciate HU3 a lot more.
And anyway, the Bonkers 1 only had 18 & 17 tracks on the discs, and people consider it one of the best titles in the series, so the whole 15 tracks would be a let down thing is rubbish. IMO it should be about quality, not quantity.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 19:10:41
Why not quantity AND quality? And 17/18 is more than 15! 
As CDJay has already said, this album is pretty much the only chance these artists will get to showcase their talents - so including as many tunes as possible (or are available) isn't a bad thing.
I know it's a pain waiting for tunes but we all have to put up with it so there's no point making a fuss - they'll come when they come and if we're bored of em by the time they're released it's the artists/labels that lose out in the end.
Plus, shorter tracks stops the inevitable misguided ripping of tunes from the mixes for DJ Useless to squeeze horrendously into a mix he doesn't have the right (or talent) to attempt!
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latininxtc
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 20:48:27
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Originally posted by CDJay:
There's been trends towards quicker mixing and shorter tracks in recent years, I reckon the balance here is at least close to correct.
this is VERY true! a lot of ppl (including me) complained when bonkers 17 came out and brisk & ham's cd was 28 tracks. these days very few ppl bat their eyes at 20+ track mixes. and many tracks these days barely go over 5mins long, so 4min mixes really is pointless and pretty dull creatively speaking
tracklist looks good, but personally the tracklist is never a factor for me as I love the mixing done on HU and they have never let me down!
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Vladel
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 21:03:26
Albums should be 18 tracks max tbh and using tracks as simple links sucks imo. I'm still gonna buy the album but i'd hoped for more than just cramming. Like robertyrob said, it should be quality not quantity.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 22:01:25
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Originally posted by Vladel:
Albums should be 18 tracks max tbh and using tracks as simple links sucks imo. I'm still gonna buy the album but i'd hoped for more than just cramming. Like robertyrob said, it should be quality not quantity.
Wow...what's the point of cramming 22+ tracks on a cd megamix (because the continuous mixing will be like, 10-30 sec....not much skill needed for that) if the tracks themselves are going to take 3-6 months to get out (because the interest will already be lost by then.) I would have rather had 18-20 top quality choices of tracks with proper mixing instead of a megamix of 2 min. tracks with rushed 'clubland-style' mixing. Megamixes work with Eurodance & Eurobeat, and possibly classic tracks, but with Hardcore, you need a good 3-4 minutes of track exposure to get the feeling of the track. I guess I'll still get it though for collection purposes.
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The Doc
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 22:04:54
I much prefer mixes with loads of tracks, thats what hardcore mixes should be about! Whats the point of having 15 to 17 tracks? Its then not a mix, just 5 mins of one track into another, also all the people who slated the new HH album for showboating their own tracks, CD 1&2 on this album seems to do the same thing but nobody is slagging it off!
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Warnman
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Posted - 2011/10/05 : 22:56:54
I really hate it when DJs sterilise great tracks, simply by cutting off the half of it:
Coitus interruptus!
If I wanna listen to some bad "best of" or "Hitmedleys"-mixes, I'd looking for DJ Oetzi and Modern Talking crap all day long.
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warped_candykid
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Posted - 2011/10/06 : 02:39:01
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Originally posted by The Doc:
I much prefer mixes with loads of tracks, thats what hardcore mixes should be about! Whats the point of having 15 to 17 tracks? Its then not a mix, just 5 mins of one track into another, also all the people who slated the new HH album for showboating their own tracks, CD 1&2 on this album seems to do the same thing but nobody is slagging it off!
Key word in here...mixes. When I see the term "mix", as it applies to dance music, I think of a DJ mixing, showing off talen, not creating a mix collection of tracks.
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_Jay_
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Posted - 2011/10/06 : 14:04:13
Tracklist overall looks very powerful. Disc one looks fcuking mind-bendingly good.
Short tracks, long tracks. Meh, not fussed. If the tunes are good, no worries.
I've rarely allowed myself to get sucked into the Hardcore Underground brown-nosing (although I have enjoyed them a lot), but this one really does look the absolute business.
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Dogsy
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Posted - 2011/10/06 : 16:17:32
Really excited about this- pre ordered today =)
I'm not bothered about the amount of tracks.. Kutski & Al Storm HU4 had 31 and I loved that cd. CD2 only has 3 more than the Brisk/Ham/Fracus CD's 23 on HU2010 and I still got a good feel of those tracks.
Can't wait to hear all 4 cds (esp 1&2)
Tracklist looks great!
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D-tor
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Posted - 2011/10/07 : 01:55:52
Holy crap Raving Donkey! Haven't heard from him since his track 8Bit! I don't know who he is, but I think he's an amateur...?
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/10/07 : 12:27:10
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Holy crap Raving Donkey! Haven't heard from him since his track 8Bit! I don't know who he is, but I think he's an amateur...?
Most Hardcore producers are amateur, lol.
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