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Samination
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 Posted - 2011/03/08 : 20:53:44
I thought you 2 had hidden your axes?
well I gotta hand it to you, your hardstyle tracks sound hardstyle, while your hardcore is very spread out... but I still want a proper gabber mix of Desolation :P
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Posted - 2011/03/08 : 21:56:56
I also try in Hardstyle to think out of the box.
For example i love to use big Trance influences like in "Will of my Heart", the intro lead should be a bit like Ayla, Alice Deejay, DJ Jurgen, etc =)
And the same goes for my Hardcore, I don't rly like to produce tracks like anyone else.
I don't rly like much tracks nowdays. Freeform is also boring in my opinion. The whole minimal, antiqlimax tracks were cool at the start but now are heavy overused...
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Samination
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 04:18:16
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Originally posted by Nightforce:
I also try in Hardstyle to think out of the box.
For example i love to use big Trance influences like in "Will of my Heart", the intro lead should be a bit like Ayla, Alice Deejay, DJ Jurgen, etc =)
And the same goes for my Hardcore, I don't rly like to produce tracks like anyone else.
I don't rly like much tracks nowdays. Freeform is also boring in my opinion. The whole minimal, antiqlimax tracks were cool at the start but now are heavy overused...
Last part is true. But then, why follow the flow? :)
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 06:08:36
Why follow the flow?
Because I wrote I will take a break from Hardcore and concentrate more on Hardstyle?
Well maybe I'm more in the mod at the moment. ;)
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 13:13:09
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Why follow the flow?
Because I wrote I will take a break from Hardcore and concentrate more on Hardstyle?
Well maybe I'm more in the mod at the moment. ;)
I meant "why produce like the rest of the freeform artists?"
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 13:38:10
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Well I wouldnt call it "a distorted mess" XD
Its Nu-Style, if you want harder hardstyle listen to the RAW style ;)
meh, all this bzzz bzzz bzzz stuff sorta annoys me. It's like the speakers broke as they were trying to do the kick. It's poor production and the tracks would have a lot more impact with a proper bass line and a real kick rather than sacrificing both to combine them.
As for the raw style, I do listen to it. It's good. I prefer the old style hardtrance though, still very hard (harder than what it became) but also with melody. Stuff like Derb, Hennes & Cold, Scot Project etc.
edit: right, had a second listen to desolation. Those individual kicks as the singing comes in are really lacking, both in impact and extension. Think it could be a bit stronger, but the tone part of it quieter but fade it out slower, for another tenth or two. Don't know how far it is in post production so it might be a bit late for that. As for the rest, can't really fault it, can't really here it thanks to the compression. But fuuucck me, is that what they call hardstyle these days? It's even cheesier than the stuff frontliner has managed to produce. Although I really like time.
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 14:32:25
ok, gundam. That was one kick ass track you had there. Think the kick (common theme here) definitely needs some work, with such a powerful synth, the kick really needs to be pushed out and pushed out hard. It was defintely the weak point. It should feel like a sledgehammer, not a blow up toy balloon hammer. Other than that, epic.
1:10. Ok WHAT THE **** just happened. you had this freaken sweet thing going and suddenly you stop it and put on cascada doing a cover of celine dion or something shithouse like that. **** man, you were ripping it, then you killed it. For a moment I thought everything I had been saying was wrong.
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 15:01:08
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1:10. Ok WHAT THE **** just happened. you had this freaken sweet thing going and suddenly you stop it and put on cascada doing a cover of celine dion or something shithouse like that. **** man, you were ripping it, then you killed it. For a moment I thought everything I had been saying was wrong.
that's just the sample mate, it actually fades out there
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 15:08:38
I meant everything after 1:10
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 16:16:27
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meh, all this bzzz bzzz bzzz stuff sorta annoys me. It's like the speakers broke as they were trying to do the kick. It's poor production and the tracks would have a lot more impact with a proper bass line and a real kick rather than sacrificing both to combine them.
Thats your opinion mate ;) But producing a Hardstyle Bassdrum is much more work than creating a "Hardcore" Bassline, the same goes for Gabber. Everyone can make a proper Bassline and Kick these days, Vengeance Clubsounds and any good preset will do it!
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edit: right, had a second listen to desolation. Those individual kicks as the singing comes in are really lacking, both in impact and extension. Think it could be a bit stronger, but the tone part of it quieter but fade it out slower, for another tenth or two. Don't know how far it is in post production so it might be a bit late for that. As for the rest, can't really fault it, can't really here it thanks to the compression. But fuuucck me, is that what they call hardstyle these days? It's even cheesier than the stuff frontliner has managed to produce. Although I really like time.
I think the comments and rating on youtube speak for itselfe that theres nothing wrong on the track. And pls keep in mind that thats not the end master and only a sample of the track!
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ok, gundam. That was one kick ass track you had there. Think the kick (common theme here) definitely needs some work, with such a powerful synth, the kick really needs to be pushed out and pushed out hard. It was defintely the weak point. It should feel like a sledgehammer, not a blow up toy balloon hammer. Other than that, epic.
I don't know with what systems you listen to your track, but on my studio monitores, on my car hifi, etc the track sounds fine. Also here it isnt the finished master at the moment ;)
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1:10. Ok WHAT THE **** just happened. you had this freaken sweet thing going and suddenly you stop it and put on cascada doing a cover of celine dion or something shithouse like that. **** man, you were ripping it, then you killed it. For a moment I thought everything I had been saying was wrong.
Everything you were saying was your own opinion, there is nothing wrong or right, hate it or love it. I do my tracks like i want to do. =)
Btw thx for your feedback ;)
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 17:32:07
I think they're great!
Nothing annoys me more than listening to hardstyle which is just attempting to sound like somebody else, so how people can complain it's not 'hardstyle enough' is beyond me. The music has suffered in the past from sticking too close to a formula - exactly what happened with hardcore years ago (and ever since) I don't understand why they should be criticised for sounding unlike 'typical' hardstyle, should be applauded for being different to the norm and not sticking what they're expected to sound like. Might just be me but i try not to imagine what tunes should sound like BEFORE i listen!
These tunes are good examples of bringing something a bit different but still being in the right area (if that makes sense). There's nothing more boring than the same old Hardstyle/Nu-style formula drilled into your head for hours on end - 'scary/movie/vocal sample, hard kick, quiet bit, orchestral sample, another scary/movie/vocal sample, hard kick etc etc'.....
Tunes like these are just what i'd hoped for, 'soft' enough for me to be able to appreciate the musical content but hard enough to fit in a proper, varied hardstyle set - and i for one will be eagerly awaiting their release.
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Posted - 2011/03/09 : 22:04:09
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Originally posted by Nightforce:
I do my tracks like i want to do. =)
Sorry, I made a stupid mistake and thought you wanted feedback.
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Posted - 2011/03/10 : 09:45:50
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Originally posted by djDMS:
I think they're great!
Nothing annoys me more than listening to hardstyle which is just attempting to sound like somebody else, so how people can complain it's not 'hardstyle enough' is beyond me. The music has suffered in the past from sticking too close to a formula - exactly what happened with hardcore years ago (and ever since) I don't understand why they should be criticised for sounding unlike 'typical' hardstyle, should be applauded for being different to the norm and not sticking what they're expected to sound like. Might just be me but i try not to imagine what tunes should sound like BEFORE i listen!
These tunes are good examples of bringing something a bit different but still being in the right area (if that makes sense). There's nothing more boring than the same old Hardstyle/Nu-style formula drilled into your head for hours on end - 'scary/movie/vocal sample, hard kick, quiet bit, orchestral sample, another scary/movie/vocal sample, hard kick etc etc'.....
Tunes like these are just what i'd hoped for, 'soft' enough for me to be able to appreciate the musical content but hard enough to fit in a proper, varied hardstyle set - and i for one will be eagerly awaiting their release.
Thanks mate! =)
Your right, always doing the same thing as anyone else is boring. To keep a music style or your music interesting its important to try different things. There are always people who don't like it, thats music.^^
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Sorry, I made a stupid mistake and thought you wanted feedback.
Well, comments like "meh, all this bzzz bzzz bzzz stuff sorta annoys me." or "It's poor production" are a rly constructive feedback... ;)
The other feedback was not bad but like i said you only criticized the bassdrums and the buildup of the track from a short / bad quality sample...
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Posted - 2011/03/10 : 10:28:13
granted, much of that was opinion. As for the build up of gundam I absolutely loved it, but honestly felt that with such a high energy intro the bass definitely was lacking presence.
My point on desolation was that the kicks you use at 55 seconds and 1:07 really don't go with the spacey/floaty feeling of that part of the track. Similarly the section from 2:24 to about 2:35, you don't build up the kick you've just inserted the standard one. Imo, that could use some work.
My theory with build ups goes something like this. Too many bands producers try to put everything into a build up, all the instruments get louder etc. That makes it sound to cluttered and congested. The best build up I have ever heard bar none was where all the instruments played the same volume singers included and then the bass guitar started coming through progressively harder and louder. Drums, guitars, keys/pads and singers all stayed back and let the bass do the work.
You're halfway there, only using the kick to do the build up, but I think where you stuffed up is because you used the kick to build the track up, it feels very very forced. Experiment a bit; personally I would be leaving the kick right out. Let ellie do her thing, she really is a great singer for this music. Try and push her forward a bit. Rather than increasing her volume, you may need to decrease something else a slightly, whatever is trying to take the attention away from her. I really like the funky imitation wooden xylophone (tautology), a snare tap or hi-hat could also be to your advantage here rather than the strength of the kick. At 2:38 where the synths kick in again STILL leave the kicks out. THIS is where you should be putting the strength of the build up. I would then bring the kick in after 32 beats. Play around a bit, it's good but certainly not finished (though a lot closer to finished than many other ever get).
I still think the kick could be more defined and less distorted, but that's just me I guess. One thing you could try though is adding another layer of kick, but one that has been dropped an octave.
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Posted - 2011/03/10 : 10:45:25
Now thats a great feedback =D
Thx mate, I'm at work at the moment but will check it out when I'm home ;)
Desolatolion was my first attempt at hardstyle so maybe some things are a bit unusual, etc^^
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