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esu
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 Posted - 2009/12/12 : 04:55:24
hey guys, was wondering if anyone could school me on how i can go about making a hardcore kick drum. like masters of hardcore, neophyte records, that sort of thing.
im on cubase !
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 05:37:29
They're typically either heavily-distorted Roland TR-909 kicks, or synth kicks (kicks made with a synth VST). The former can be made by grabbing some 909 samples off of the web, and then using a distortion VST (such as CamelCrusher or CamelPhat, both of which seem to be popular) on it with varying results. Synth kicks are more complex.
I'd elaborate more, but right now I'm in a rush to try and recover quite a bit of data off of my hard drives...
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 15:10:35
You do realise that the 909 is a synth? There isn't essentially any difference, just that the 909 is tailored to making kicks. Anyway regarding making kicks like those, you will first need to master how to make kicks at all as those mentioned require alot more further knowledge. 1 step at a time and all that.
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 15:43:20
Youtube has the answers.
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 15:47:01
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Originally posted by Rayovac:
but right now I'm in a rush to try and recover quite a bit of data off of my hard drives...
uh oh!
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 18:27:06
ok! i will expierement with 909 + distortion units.
the ones on youtube are all reason, fl studio type. though it is essentially the same stuff i guess. i guess what im getting at is what vsts i should use make some killer hardcore kicks!
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 19:13:08
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Originally posted by esu:
ok! i will expierement with 909 + distortion units.
the ones on youtube are all reason, fl studio type. though it is essentially the same stuff i guess. i guess what im getting at is what vsts i should use make some killer hardcore kicks!
FM are really good for Gabber kicks in my experience. All the routing possibilities make for some demon sounds. Look for a tutorial on youtube for Sytrus for FL, don't worry if you don't have FL it works on any FM synth. I knocked up a pretty mean one in FM8 after watching that and it was pretty easy to translate.
EDIT
Here's the tutorial i'm talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwW6_IXOseI
This is what i came up with
http://www14.zippyshare.com/v/43925970/file.html
Using a little bit of this for extra growly hasrh madness
http://www.camelaudio.com/camelcrusher.php
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 19:33:34
http://thunderdome.com/samplepack/
neophyte kicks :) hehehehehe
why do you want neophyte kicks if you can make up your own kicks?
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 19:52:57
quote:
Originally posted by Project-Industrial:
why do you want neophyte kicks if you can make up your own kicks?
quote:
Originally posted by esu:
wondering if anyone could school me on how i can go about making a hardcore kick drum. like masters of hardcore, neophyte records, that sort of thing.
im on cubase !
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Project-Industrial
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Posted - 2009/12/12 : 21:58:58
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Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by Project-Industrial:
why do you want neophyte kicks if you can make up your own kicks?
quote:
Originally posted by esu:
wondering if anyone could school me on how i can go about making a hardcore kick drum. like masters of hardcore, neophyte records, that sort of thing.
im on cubase !
i gotta stop drinkin....
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Rayovac
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Posted - 2009/12/14 : 17:41:08
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
You do realise that the 909 is a synth? There isn't essentially any difference, just that the 909 is tailored to making kicks. Anyway regarding making kicks like those, you will first need to master how to make kicks at all as those mentioned require alot more further knowledge. 1 step at a time and all that.
Yes I do. The difference I was trying to convey is that he could either take something like a 909 and add some effects to it (commonly distortion), or just completely make one from scratch using a VST.
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esu
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Posted - 2009/12/14 : 18:35:56
can you elaborate on making it from scratch from vst? that's what i'd like to really do.
i thought making a kick needed a 909 kick to start with, haha.
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frozt
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Posted - 2009/12/14 : 19:12:23
what I've used is a program called Microsonic I think and make my kick with that then apply a distortion get called ohmnicide I think and play around that. either that or get Reason4 and do it that way. I like doin it the reason way
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2009/12/16 : 16:27:53
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Originally posted by esu:
can you elaborate on making it from scratch from vst? that's what i'd like to really do.
i thought making a kick needed a 909 kick to start with, haha.
It's not really about making kicks, you just need to understand synthesis. When you understand synthesis you understand how to make kicks. Although to point you in the right direction you should be using the pitch modulation control. Set it so that the decay is so fast that you get a hard transient (in this case a kick sound). You pitch needs to be suffienctly low of course and you'll need to experiment with different waveforms and the filter. It's very basic stuff, however getting the same result as samples you hear is a different story altogether.
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frozt
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Posted - 2009/12/16 : 22:26:39
here read this link
http://www.idmforums.com/showthread.php?t=17747
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Meathead
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Posted - 2009/12/17 : 00:06:27
quote:
Originally posted by esu:
can you elaborate on making it from scratch from vst? that's what i'd like to really do.
i thought making a kick needed a 909 kick to start with, haha.
quote:
Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:
Originally posted by esu:
ok! i will expierement with 909 + distortion units.
the ones on youtube are all reason, fl studio type. though it is essentially the same stuff i guess. i guess what im getting at is what vsts i should use make some killer hardcore kicks!
FM are really good for Gabber kicks in my experience. All the routing possibilities make for some demon sounds. Look for a tutorial on youtube for Sytrus for FL, don't worry if you don't have FL it works on any FM synth. I knocked up a pretty mean one in FM8 after watching that and it was pretty easy to translate.
Here's the tutorial i'm talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwW6_IXOseI
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