Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/28 : 09:26:18
Butz i wanna mke wcked beatz lyk stylz n breez! Wherz da stylz n breez chopper vst?
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Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
4,217 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/28 : 15:12:31
quote:Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
And on another note:
The picture is creepy as hell.
Breeze uses it everywhere. I think he has an unhealthy attacthment to it
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Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/10/28 : 15:38:30
If I wanted to make dated sounding Hardcore from 2005 then why not? But I chose to listen to real Hardcore from the 90s which although is even more 'dated' it is real Hardcore!
*listens to an Old Skool mix which is ripped from a 90s tape*
Meathead Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/10/28 : 16:20:44
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
If I wanted to make dated sounding Hardcore from 2005 then why not?
Why do that when you can make dated posts instead.....
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MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/28 : 22:36:05
quote:Originally posted by acidfluxxbass:
quote:Originally posted by Meathead:
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
If I wanted to make dated sounding Hardcore from 2005 then why not?
Why do that when you can make dated posts instead.....
no but, he's right....
most hardcore is far more sophistacted than breeze...
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.
As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!
We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/10/28 : 22:40:46
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.
As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!
We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.
acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/10/28 : 22:46:47
Well, Breeze, nor Styles for that matter really go the extra distance to add some great effects to their tunes... Producers like the ones featured on HU4 will create euphoric breakdowns and add all sorts of samples and atmospheric effects to their music, to make it sound better...
All I hear in style's or breeze's stuff is a kick drum, other percussions, a bassline and a melody..
I want to compare these two tracks: Darwin - Electric Pulsedrive (as featured on Crush On Hardcore) VS Darren Styles - Sorry
VERSUS
Hattrixx Mertype - Lifetime Of Wickedness VS Re-Con - The Power
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or Al storm vs Bang! - Flowers needs the rain VS Styles - Flashlight
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To me, it sounds like the more underground artists have spent hours more int he studio working on their tracks...
It takes a brave person to try and defend this point, imo...
Alert moderatorEdited by - acidfluxxbass on 2009/10/28 22:49:02
MAtRiCks Advanced Member
Canada
1,059 posts Joined: Sep, 2006
Posted - 2009/10/29 : 00:02:07
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.
As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!
We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.
Whats wrong with the tunes I like?
Nothing! I don't think simplicity is wrong in any way, and those terrordome style tracks sure are nothing too sophisticated. If it hits the spot, all the better!
As for acidfluxxbass, I understand what you mean, but I like all the tracks you just used as examples, so I don't see the point in comparing them. I agree that some tracks are way more elaborate than others, but it doesn't necessarily makes them better either. It definitely helps, but a good, catchy, yet simple melody can work magic too.
I usually like very melodic-oriented music... For example, even a terribly intricate and elaborate Finnish Freeform track probably won't do anything for me if the chord progressions and the melody aren't the main focus.
All that many hours in the studio surely aren't that necessary if the gift of the musician lies in it's writing skills. Some artists are great engineers and can do magic with their equipments, whilst others seem to have far more talent for inventing uplifting and euphoric melodies, like Breeze & Styles!
I guess it's good that some people can have access to sample-packs like the one we're on about, but it won't give anybody the writing skills necessary to come up with an anthem.
Dain-Ja Advanced Member
Canada
1,983 posts Joined: Oct, 2004
Posted - 2009/10/29 : 02:51:33
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.
As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!
We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.
Whats wrong with the tunes I like?
I usually like very melodic-oriented music... For example, even a terribly intricate and elaborate Finnish Freeform track probably won't do anything for me if the chord progressions and the melody aren't the main focus.
All that many hours in the studio surely aren't that necessary if the gift of the musician lies in it's writing skills. Some artists are great engineers and can do magic with their equipments, whilst others seem to have far more talent for inventing uplifting and euphoric melodies, like Breeze & Styles!
Exactly.
And acidfluxxbass' post is funny. The first Darwin track he posted actually reminds me of the Breeze & Styles sound of 2004.
Styles and Breeze use pretty much all the same effects as 'underground' artists like Darwin, they just do it more subtly. You'd be surprised how 'produced' their tunes really are.
It's a very "newbie" producer thing to have very obvious effects and excessive complexity. They key is to have complex music that seems simple (and is therefore catchy).
And before you rip on my post, Darwin is probably my favourite producer.
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acidfluxxbass Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2009/10/29 : 05:05:29
quote:Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by MAtRiCks:
Judging by the tastes he expresses with the numerous videos he posted and keeps posting, Smoogie definitely isn't after sophistication in his Hardcore.
As for myself, if I feel like listening to sophisticated music, I don't think I'll be listening to Hardcore either. To each his own I guess, but I like Breeze's banging beats!
We already see a lot of producers trying so hard to achieve Breeze's clean and powerful production style, I guess this will help them? :P I don't really care though, since the real artists out there define themselves with their own style.
Whats wrong with the tunes I like?
I usually like very melodic-oriented music... For example, even a terribly intricate and elaborate Finnish Freeform track probably won't do anything for me if the chord progressions and the melody aren't the main focus.
All that many hours in the studio surely aren't that necessary if the gift of the musician lies in it's writing skills. Some artists are great engineers and can do magic with their equipments, whilst others seem to have far more talent for inventing uplifting and euphoric melodies, like Breeze & Styles!
Exactly.
And acidfluxxbass' post is funny. The first Darwin track he posted actually reminds me of the Breeze & Styles sound of 2004.
Styles and Breeze use pretty much all the same effects as 'underground' artists like Darwin, they just do it more subtly. You'd be surprised how 'produced' their tunes really are.
It's a very "newbie" producer thing to have very obvious effects and excessive complexity. They key is to have complex music that seems simple (and is therefore catchy).
And before you rip on my post, Darwin is probably my favourite producer.
so your saying that Darren Styles - sorry is as complex as Darwin - Electric Pulsedrive .... =|
Leto Advanced Member
United States
2,849 posts Joined: Jun, 2005
Posted - 2009/10/29 : 05:32:47
No, he's saying that overt complexity does not necessarily correlate with hours in the studio. He is rightly stating that there is a lot more than one can easily hear that goes into making a solid, "minimal" track.
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