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 Posted - 2009/07/16 : 05:03:24
What FL addons could I use to accomplish it? Brief tutorial if possible?
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Posted - 2009/07/16 : 07:55:37
he uses standard vector kicks
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Posted - 2009/07/16 : 09:44:01
standard vector? um.... hmm...sure
for our NC style Bioweapon kicks, this is what I do:
Make a good hit - a nice tok works :) layer this with claps and eq in a bit of mid-range tok.
Get a big bass layer - microtonic can work, but so can junglist or hydra. What we then do is hit that big layer wit some nice distortion. Camel phat is great and so is Izotope Trash, play with those filters, a bit of res and try some multi-band distortion :)
What I then do is sidechain the lower bass with a little bit of tok hit so there's no crazy spikes in the kick and it breathes. This allows for a consistent hit and for the lower bass to move up and down in pitch.
I also make another 'bark' layer to layer over the top and highpass that. The idea of this layer to make that really dirty bark sound that NC have.
I send everything to a group channel and do some compression and a bit of eq to enhance anything that might be missing.
If you don't believe me check the kicks out here in our La Venganza tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLFFAF1EiZE
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Posted - 2009/07/16 : 10:20:21
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
standard vector? um.... hmm...sure
sounds to me like it. least for as far my vec kicks collection goes :)
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Posted - 2009/07/16 : 11:24:27
i doubt any Hardstyle producers use VEC kicks!
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Posted - 2009/07/16 : 11:26:16
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Originally posted by Starstruck:
i doubt any Hardstyle producers use VEC kicks!
i wouldnt know why not O.o theres plenty of vec kicks that are perfectly fit for hardstyle
edit: out of a hardstyle track i been making.. even tho im not the most brilliant hardstyle producer ;)
http://www.speedyshare.com/732748571.html <-- enough vecs in there =]
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Posted - 2009/07/16 : 22:48:38
The VEC kicks aren't long enough, are tuned properly and sound horrible when you pitch up and down.
Synth kicks are best if you want to jump around notes.
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Posted - 2009/07/16 : 23:40:53
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
The VEC kicks aren't long enough, are tuned properly and sound horrible when you pitch up and down.
Synth kicks are best if you want to jump around notes.
hmm.. disagree wif you there m8.. i work wif vec kicks a lot nd pitch them.. guess that also depends a little on the style ur going wif. plain vec kicks maybe yes.. least some.. not all get faked up pitching them.
hehe think i shudve said it a lil diffrent in ma first post tho.. 'sounds like a vec kick' but a well :)
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Posted - 2009/07/17 : 07:15:26
Lol, look, Orbit1 is an incredibly good engineer, he knows what hes on about!
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Posted - 2009/07/17 : 07:47:25
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
standard vector? um.... hmm...sure
for our NC style Bioweapon kicks, this is what I do:
Make a good hit - a nice tok works :) layer this with claps and eq in a bit of mid-range tok.
Get a big bass layer - microtonic can work, but so can junglist or hydra. What we then do is hit that big layer wit some nice distortion. Camel phat is great and so is Izotope Trash, play with those filters, a bit of res and try some multi-band distortion :)
What I then do is sidechain the lower bass with a little bit of tok hit so there's no crazy spikes in the kick and it breathes. This allows for a consistent hit and for the lower bass to move up and down in pitch.
I also make another 'bark' layer to layer over the top and highpass that. The idea of this layer to make that really dirty bark sound that NC have.
I send everything to a group channel and do some compression and a bit of eq to enhance anything that might be missing.
If you don't believe me check the kicks out here in our La Venganza tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLFFAF1EiZE
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WOAH. Could you break this down a little more? I wanna know how this works. What's a tok?
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Posted - 2009/07/17 : 08:51:20
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Lol, look, Orbit1 is an incredibly good engineer, he knows what hes on about!
someone whos good doesnt always has to be right. i know wot orbit can do and i know he bloody brilliant. im just saying that to me it sounded like one of the vector kicks i have. and that hes wrong on the part that 'all' vec kicks would suck when pitched. im using them for quite a while now, maybe for an other style so i work with them diffrently but i also know wot im on about.
if the opinions of the smaller producers aint welcome no more here becouse only the big guys know wot their on about theres gnna be a lot of pissed off ppl lol
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Posted - 2009/07/17 : 16:15:45
I just played your clip and sounds nothing like noisecontrollers and the kicks don't pitch up or down either, they stay flat.
By pitched kicks, I'm referring to the big tuned/melodic kicks that go up and down in harmonic with the melody. Seeing as these kicks need to be at least a full beat long and the VEC ones are about half, they're not long enough. Then if you pitch-shift with say, Kontakt's algorithms or any other algorithm to keep the same length they sound horrible and grainy.
Add this to fact that when the VEC kicks (not the distorted ones, which are ripped out of Gabber mp3s lol) actually get distorted, they sound terrible. None of the hits from any of the VEC kicks sound even remotely close to anything noisecontroller-esque.
here check this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gihrlgwfS4
No Vengeance anywhere, no Nexus. All hand made, organically grown, Free Range sounds.
I don't mean to sound like a jerk and I'm all for intelligent discussion, but seeing as I have friends getting signed to Fusion (Zany's label) and we've (Bioweapon) had a stack of attention from the Dutch scene (Zany, the Prophet, Luna, Scope and Wildstylez all playing our tunes) I think we might have the right idea 
Back to the point of the discussion though, there's no real set of plugins to achieve that sound unless you mirror their set up and seeing as they use Logic (and no doubt those awesome stock plugins!), I dont think you'd get the same results.
A tok is a hit or part of a kick drum that sounds like... well TOK! You've heard it in a stack of new style tunes, but its been famously abused in Headhunterz - The Power of the Mind. Most people don't use the same Tok as that particular one, but have different hits. The Donkeyrollers/The Pitcher/anything engineered by M. Pollen has his different hit, Showtek have their funny ones (deng dengs?) and Noisecontrollers have a nice punchy one.
The key to the noisecontroller kicks is tone and only a slight amount of distortion to further enhance that tone. I've achieved some really good results from hours of sampling and resampling hits from NI Massive and eq'ing in bizarre ways to meld and muush with the right hit. I can't show you this example yet as we're working out a signing with a very very big hardstyle label :)
Hmmm, thats quite a bit of advice! Take it with a pinch of salt, but let your ears be the judge
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Posted - 2009/07/17 : 16:57:10
You need to dish out production advice more often mate, and perhaps some synthesis tutorials ;)
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Posted - 2009/07/17 : 17:03:29
You mean I need to be unleashed online more often!!
Me and Inverse are working on a series of studio tuts videos. We're about halfway through recording everything, but we need to spend hours editing it all down to something thats coherent :)
Follow my twitter feed in the mean time, I spit out some studio stuff every now and then when I'm not complaining about not having enough time!
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Posted - 2009/07/17 : 19:03:44
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
You mean I need to be unleashed online more often!!
Me and Inverse are working on a series of studio tuts videos. We're about halfway through recording everything, but we need to spend hours editing it all down to something thats coherent :)
Follow my twitter feed in the mean time, I spit out some studio stuff every now and then when I'm not complaining about not having enough time!
Call the videos "Tuts for nubs."
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Posted - 2009/07/17 : 19:36:19
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Originally posted by Orbit1:
You mean I need to be unleashed online more often!!
Me and Inverse are working on a series of studio tuts videos. We're about halfway through recording everything, but we need to spend hours editing it all down to something thats coherent :)
Follow my twitter feed in the mean time, I spit out some studio stuff every now and then when I'm not complaining about not having enough time!
lol yeah that
Looking forward to those very much mate, it's always great to see how other people work. A hell of a lot of what i know (which isn't very much really) i've picked up from watching various Computer Music and Future Music magazine videos, would be great to see an Orbit1/Inverse vid. How much of these tutorials will be spent making toks and dengs? ;)
Gonna have to sign up to twitter i suppose (dammit). Oh well, i'm sure it'll worth it. Cheers
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