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Jimouk
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 Posted - 2008/10/17 : 05:52:54
People who turn down CD mixing because they want to stay "oldskool" are pretty stupid if you ask me. To much new music is released via the internet on MP3 format these days instead of vinyl its ridiculous. I don't understand how people expect to get there tracklists up to date without making the switch to CDJs, or if they spend hundreads on something like Serato.
I switched a few years back and I have never looked back since, I keep the vinyl turntables for exclusive vinyl tracks but other then that they just collect dust.
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silver
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Posted - 2008/10/17 : 08:44:46
Each to their own, it's about the music at the end of the day not the equipment.
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2008/10/17 : 20:23:41
umm... you can cut and scratch on CDJs too
So really, you're asking whether people like it better when DJs cut and scratch or when they use effects?
I have a DJM800 and the effects definitely require skill to master. I can do what Cotts does but it a few weeks to learn.
Like anything - I guess ANYBODY could do it, but ANYBODY could also scratch or mix on vinyl.
I mix on both CDJs and vinyl and I find vinyl easier (mostly cause my CDJs suck). The only thing that really makes mixing on CDJs alot easier is that alot of people produce tracks at the same BPM so you often don't have to beatmatch (but this also applies to vinyl to a certain extent)...and beatmatching is the easiest part of DJing anyways
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Cotts
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Posted - 2008/10/18 : 11:22:31
Hmm interesting topic, it takes it back to the old CDJ vs Vinyl arguement again.
DJKenMasters, the video was purely just for a little bit of a laugh, I don't normally put food on the decks!, it was just all a bit of fun not really to actually have a serious mix.
At the end of the day both formats a different, as DJ Tutor always says:
Real DJ's play CDS, Real DJ's Play Vinyl, Real DJ's Play Music
It dosent matter what format you spin, it's if you enjoy it or not. Without a doubt though everything is naturally moving more digital which opens up a lot more possibilities.
Also in that video I did use the effects a little more than I would have normally, whats the fun if I just stand there and let a track play out?
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2008/10/18 : 14:32:05
no mate, I know It was a bit of fun but I just thought it was a shame to see the Record decks getting used for nothing more that a table, that turns lol
Yeah, I agree that it's what u play that makes a DJ but I'm just a total vinyl freak & hate anything digital. I think it's shaping our music around CDJ's & that's where we'll have a problem.
I really just wanted to start this topic up to see if people, like myself, struggle to appreciate CDJ's in use.
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Analog Dreams
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Posted - 2008/10/18 : 18:14:29
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Originally posted by Cotts:
Real DJ's play CDS, Real DJ's Play Vinyl, Real DJ's Play Music
That is true, but then again, what about laptop djs? Say you have a vinyl dj come on with just turntables and a mixer, no serato or anything, then a laptop dj comes on with just a laptop. Who is more skilled? Obviously the turntable dj. He just has to do more. He has to beatmatch by ear, then mix it in and make sure the beats don't slip, while playing around with the eq's making sure it is a smooth transition etc, while the other dude just clicks his mouse a few times while browsing his myspace and it's all mixed perfectly . Sure the music is the most important aspect of it, but when people say it's ALL about the music and nothing more, I disagree. It's not just about the music, it's also about how its played. Maybe the crowd does not know or care who is the better dj, but the djs know whats going on.
I mix with vinyl and I don't think I will be using a cdj or laptop anytime soon, and even if I did upgrade, I'd continue to use records with the laptop. It all comes down to preferance, but it's simply not fair if the more skilled dj loses out on a gig because some microwave dj laptop dude took his gig...
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TypeR
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Posted - 2008/10/18 : 19:12:04
I can honestly say that i've never heard of anyone being replaced by a laptop dj. laptop djs sound like a fierce bag of shit in my opinion, and i'm sure that if you're losing gigs to a fierce bag of shit, then either you need to call him on it publicly or you need to check your skills.
otherwise i'd need proof that this has happened with names and events. other than that i'm not buying it.
i used to be all about carrying around 80lbs of vinyl every weekend.
not so much anymore.
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Cotts
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Posted - 2008/10/18 : 21:12:48
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Originally posted by Analog Dreams:
quote:
Originally posted by Cotts:
Real DJ's play CDS, Real DJ's Play Vinyl, Real DJ's Play Music
That is true, but then again, what about laptop djs? Say you have a vinyl dj come on with just turntables and a mixer, no serato or anything, then a laptop dj comes on with just a laptop. Who is more skilled? Obviously the turntable dj. He just has to do more. He has to beatmatch by ear, then mix it in and make sure the beats don't slip, while playing around with the eq's making sure it is a smooth transition etc, while the other dude just clicks his mouse a few times while browsing his myspace and it's all mixed perfectly . Sure the music is the most important aspect of it, but when people say it's ALL about the music and nothing more, I disagree. It's not just about the music, it's also about how its played. Maybe the crowd does not know or care who is the better dj, but the djs know whats going on.
I mix with vinyl and I don't think I will be using a cdj or laptop anytime soon, and even if I did upgrade, I'd continue to use records with the laptop. It all comes down to preferance, but it's simply not fair if the more skilled dj loses out on a gig because some microwave dj laptop dude took his gig...
Ok you took my point a little too literally there, I dont like laptop dj's myself and I dont think its a format that people should use (apart from learning the basics of DJing).
You are right though, it does come down to preference, but im not talking about laptops here.
I think CDJ's are easier to mix with but they let you push your mix a lot further by opening up a lot of possibilities, its not that someone that uses CDJ's does not have skill, becuase it does still take as with vinyl skill to mix.
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Leto
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Posted - 2008/10/18 : 22:32:45
Lol. Richie Hawtin is laptop DJ. He just uses a gigantic Allen & Heath MIDI controller.
Essentially, if you do let the software automate for you (which a lot of laptop DJs don't do) then you should be doing something else with that freedom.
Thinking outside the box is critical. It opens up the world of DJ'ing to things beyond just standard beatmatching.
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DJ_FunDaBounce
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Posted - 2008/10/19 : 00:28:09
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Originally posted by BobbyRitalin:
i used to be all about carrying around 80lbs of vinyl every weekend.
lol! can't say it was a routine for me but whenever I got to play out it was torture carrying my box o' records around.definetly a point for cd's in this respect.
now I carry a little bit of both.
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TypeR
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Posted - 2008/10/19 : 01:04:38
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Originally posted by DJ_FunDaBounce:
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Originally posted by BobbyRitalin:
i used to be all about carrying around 80lbs of vinyl every weekend.
lol! can't say it was a routine for me but whenever I got to play out it was torture carrying my box o' records around.definetly a point for cd's in this respect.
now I carry a little bit of both.
same here
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Ph33rViper
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Posted - 2008/10/19 : 13:25:02
Well i will say this:
Using Vinyl does take time to master and so everyone should take the effort to use it and master it.
I do have CDJ1000MK3's and bloody hell they are too easy to mix on. Vinyl aint the same :P
If I see a vinyl DJ play and that person was good, then I would know he had the skill
But with a CDJ, I woudnt know that DJ would have the proper skill to master beatmatching.
CDJ's allow you to concentrate more on your mixing and play with effects and crap more.
Vinyl should still be around. I dont like when people say MP3's are better than vinyl.
Vinyl will always be KING unless someone stuffs up the pressing / mastering process :P
Of course you will get Vinyl that sounds dodgy and the reason is my point above.
Digital is a very good technology to have but Vinyl kills it. I have HHC010 on a Vinyl and CD.
Guess what is better??? The Vinyl. Vinyl DOES have a deeper / warmer sound to it.
I dont care what format you use at the end of the day. Its just you want to have the skill to beatmatch, mix and adjust volume.
I find DJ's that use Vinyl are more skilled :)
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EDIT: Where is the value of buying MP3's? They are worth Nothing after you buy them unfortunetly
If you dont want the tune anymore on vinyl at least you can sell it :D
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Posted - 2008/10/19 : 13:49:29
quote:
Originally posted by Cotts:
Ok you took my point a little too literally there, I dont like laptop dj's myself and I dont think its a format that people should use (apart from learning the basics of DJing).
You are right though, it does come down to preference, but im not talking about laptops here.
I think CDJ's are easier to mix with but they let you push your mix a lot further by opening up a lot of possibilities, its not that someone that uses CDJ's does not have skill, becuase it does still take as with vinyl skill to mix.
Why does it make a diffrence if the music comes from a Compact disc or a Hard discdrive?
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Posted - 2008/10/19 : 14:01:33
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I thought i'd check this out as i've seen a lot of Ravine vids on youtube & really liked his style & scratching but have never really seen cotts in action
i saw cotts vinyl limited edition mix first. then more of his and then ravine.
the limited edition mix is no longer on youtube but feature gammer re-sauce vip which is why i love it as ken masters will know XD
also, big up to the singstar microphone.
also also, ravine has moves! the secret vid waaay outclassed his hardstyle dancing one XD
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Ken Masters
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Posted - 2008/10/19 : 14:17:03
@ Ph33rViper: "Where is the value of buying MP3's? They are worth Nothing after you buy them unfortunetly"
"If you dont want the tune anymore on vinyl at least you can sell it :D"
That is a great point mate! I've never even thought of that. Once you buy your MP3's, that's you. Theres no selling them on.
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