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ravekutz Junior Member
Australia
92 posts Joined: May, 2007
Posted - 2008/01/29 : 10:19:35
Could these two scenes be anymore different. Uk hardcore seems to embrace happiness or embrace really twised crazy energetic sounds. While the Dutch scene seems to Embrace pure anger and hardness. Uk scene loves female vocals and dancers while it's pretty much unheard of almost for any female influence in the Gabber scene.
Ones all smiley faces and the other is all skulls. Kinda strange that they are both called hardcore when they are so different.
warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
3,961 posts Joined: Jan, 2004
Posted - 2008/01/29 : 15:59:25
quote:Originally posted by ravekutz:
Could these two scenes be anymore different. Uk hardcore seems to embrace happiness or embrace really twised crazy energetic sounds. While the Dutch scene seems to Embrace pure anger and hardness. Uk scene loves female vocals and dancers while it's pretty much unheard of almost for any female influence in the Gabber scene.
Ones all smiley faces and the other is all skulls. Kinda strange that they are both called hardcore when they are so different.
Dude...the Dutch was the basis for Happy Hardcore back in the early 90s! "Rainbow In The Sky", "Rainbow Islands", "Happy Generation", "Children of the Night", etc. the anthems go on and on! The Dutch/German was total cheese!!!!
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,502 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2008/01/29 : 19:43:46
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
Dude...the Dutch was the basis for Happy Hardcore back in the early 90s! "Rainbow In The Sky", "Rainbow Islands", "Happy Generation", "Children of the Night", etc. the anthems go on and on! The Dutch/German was total cheese!!!!
GoBeserk Junior Member
United Kingdom
88 posts Joined: Mar, 2008
Posted - 2008/03/09 : 21:56:32
i love the dutch scene
it has that complete 'f*** you' atitude the uk scene lacks
the uk scene is brilliant dont get me wrong we have some amazing hardcore producers
but cmon... its hardly the evilness of nosferatu, evil activites, ophidian is it...
Posted - 2018/01/04 : 23:07:49
as a born in the 90s dutch gabber i can tell you, it all started in rotterdam with the oldschool, that transvered into happy hardcore and later in to the hardcore we know today and many other styles like frenchcore, speedcore, terror hardcore, hardstyle, jumpstyle and so on, go and listen to dj paul elstak one of the founders of gabber and still making music today you will find a complete timeline and transition from the early dutch rave scene till fresh bangers of today and will understand the music and my culture even better
Guest Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,511 posts Joined: Feb, 2015
Posted - 2018/01/05 : 03:59:55
its just a shame its not dutch gabber, its just hardcore worldwide, it is why uk hardcore is called uk hardcore or happy hardcore, they are 2 different scenes
mainstream gabber became hardcore worldwide in 2007 when nu skool kicks came along i invented with all the layering of bass frequencies from the low/mid/high - they are not just a kick with some lame distortion put ontop, its better, you can mix it better, you can do alot more with it, and it has sub bass, which all big scenes need
there are plenty of tracks with vocals in hardcore
it is also why uk hardcore is dead, and hardcore has
tomorrowland being the only festival not dedicated to hardcore... and a 1000 others and other festivals that are dedicated to hardcore
and uk hardcore has westfest
its like blud, if you make tracks or just a gangsta Dj, the netherlands are where the pro's play, just like house an ibiza
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DJ A.K. Average Member
United Kingdom
223 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2018/01/10 : 16:10:58
Yep, I wish there was still something inbetween tbh like in the ninties when we had Bouncy techno which was the best of both worlds.
I find the new dutch stuff can be too OTT and only ok in small doses while the UK stuff can be too fluffy sometimes and I just wish it would be a bit harder/darker.
Obviously there are tracks that bridge the gap and blend the styles but they aren't as common and you have to search them out.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,502 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2018/01/10 : 21:43:44
quote:Originally posted by DJ A.K.:
Yep, I wish there was still something inbetween tbh like in the ninties when we had Bouncy techno which was the best of both worlds.
I find the new dutch stuff can be too OTT and only ok in small doses while the UK stuff can be too fluffy sometimes and I just wish it would be a bit harder/darker.
Obviously there are tracks that bridge the gap and blend the styles but they aren't as common and you have to search them out.
There was some Freeform which bridged the gap slightly. You had harder kicks like the old Gabber but also the more euphoric edge borrowed from UK Hardcore. Stuff like Robbie Long, Stormtrooper, Devastate, Marc Smith ect
Guest Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,511 posts Joined: Feb, 2015
Posted - 2018/01/11 : 03:59:57
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by DJ A.K.:
Yep, I wish there was still something inbetween tbh like in the ninties when we had Bouncy techno which was the best of both worlds.
I find the new dutch stuff can be too OTT and only ok in small doses while the UK stuff can be too fluffy sometimes and I just wish it would be a bit harder/darker.
Obviously there are tracks that bridge the gap and blend the styles but they aren't as common and you have to search them out.
There was some Freeform which bridged the gap slightly. You had harder kicks like the old Gabber but also the more euphoric edge borrowed from UK Hardcore. Stuff like Robbie Long, Stormtrooper, Devastate, Marc Smith ect
you either are or you ain't, no chicken shit inbetween
nothing has changed, in clubs and most events, except the kick, then you get refixes to update the kick in the shops
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Thumpa Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,600 posts Joined: Feb, 2009
Posted - 2018/01/11 : 12:45:03
Yeah there's about 45,000 people at a rave difference.
You could trace European stuff back to Belgian techno, 'We Have Arrived' and Euromasters, whereas UK rave music can be traced back to acid house, and even disco and northern soul before that. Well worth looking into where the 2 scenes overlapped, dance music history is very rich and rewarding if you want a history lesson.
DJ A.K. Average Member
United Kingdom
223 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2018/01/12 : 14:32:00
There is also a music snobbery in the UK where any kick drum music over 150bpm is instantly looked down upon were as in Europe its just normal and accepted.
I feel thats why some in the uk producers tone it down a bit and try to blend it with other more excepted styles.
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