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Pope C XXIII
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 Posted - 2007/12/21 : 18:40:02
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Originally posted by Dain-Ja:
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Originally posted by Pope C XXIII:
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Originally posted by bulby_g:
Just had a thought... We're going to need some hosting on the tracks for those that don't have an FTP. I suggest people don't use upload sites as voters might not bother listening to their tracks as they can be a pain in the arse!
Can anyone on here help out on this or shall I try and sort something?
There's always filefront. Free accounts + infinite bandwidth + infinite hosting time.
that's just annoying
I'll make an ftp account for the competition
I can give a 2 gig quota to start, unlimited bandwidth
...that should be enough room for like 75 full quality tracks and my host is blazing fast
What's annoying about it?
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Hotchkiss
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Posted - 2007/12/22 : 02:36:05
Any space? if so shuv Hotchkiss down for it :D
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/12/22 : 07:49:18
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Originally posted by Hotchkiss:
Any space? if so shuv Hotchkiss down for it :D
Most certainly :P
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bulby_g
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Posted - 2007/12/22 : 09:44:50
Indeed.
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nrXic
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Posted - 2007/12/22 : 12:12:30
I'm down.
I do think there has to be something in common with all entries. Whether that's a samplepack, or a vocal, you guys can decide and I'm good either way.
One common denominator is required for any competition.
Heck, if you limited it to one VST and one VST only for the whole song, I'd be down for that too.
As far as untuned vocals go, I'm open to that, though I have no knowledge in regards to how to tune it other than manually chopping up the wave and playing it slightly faster/slower to get them on note. So I think it could be a great learning experience for me. On the other hand, I produce with a ghetto setup (tracker, basically), and I don't own programs like Antares Altotune (or whatever it's called). I do think it would be unfair if wealthier producers had an automatic advantage in that regard. Some people here have studio monitors and such, that's an advantage in an of itself, isn't it? I'm not saying it's a bad thing or those people should be disqualified, don't get me wrong, in fact monitors are something every producer really needs and the few of us making songs without them should probably get them asap. I'm just saying that putting extra burdens such as untuned vocals that require hundred dollar software to help fix, would be unfair. Unless there are low-tech/low-expense ways of tuning them, I think it would be unfair. If not, I think it's a great learning experience and I'm sure there will be a lot of guidance from fellow producers as far as how to tackle it.
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michael_mansion
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Posted - 2007/12/22 : 19:01:51
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Originally posted by Ionosphere:
We've written the vocals but haven't recorded them yet.
Yes, it's a lot of work and yes the vocals will be 'tuned' because Treasure, our singer, sings in tune.
....and we're not asking for 'compensation', 'cos it's just for fun.
If our vocals are used and if, as a result of this competition, a track is signed for release that uses our vocals,
then we have the publishing rights to those vocals. If not it doesn't matter.
It's just a bit of fun.
No singer (not even the best singers) sing naturally in tune., unless your standards are low. No offense, I know what you mean. Some singers sing more in tune than others, but achieving perfect tune is nearly impossible, although most audiences will not hear the difference.
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drivebye
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Posted - 2007/12/22 : 19:32:39
so you think that most vocals in songs are tuned?
i doubt that very much, i imagine most singers can sing in key with the backing and most singers can sing to the standard where its acceptable for release, with out touching a vocal tuner.
if not then i should hope the singer gives up.
vocals can be overdubbed again and again to fix small errors in vocal takes. this is the way i would produce a record, not using any old take and correcting it with tuners.
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michael_mansion
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Posted - 2007/12/22 : 22:06:54
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Originally posted by drivebye:
so you think that most vocals in songs are tuned?
i doubt that very much, i imagine most singers can sing in key with the backing and most singers can sing to the standard where its acceptable for release, with out touching a vocal tuner.
if not then i should hope the singer gives up.
vocals can be overdubbed again and again to fix small errors in vocal takes. this is the way i would produce a record, not using any old take and correcting it with tuners.
Well, I know that most songs sound much better when they're tuned. Once you have your first vocal session, I'm sure you will agree that tuning is quite necessary.
Getting a track to a point where it's "acceptable for release" is a subjective matter. It depends on what you're aiming for. Some people strive for perfection, some don't. And to be honest, sometimes perfection isn't necessary.
Regarding what you say about hoping "the singer gives up"...it's really quite funny you say that. Some of the best singers in the world never sing in tune. What makes them great singers is the character in their voice (inflection, accent, throat...etc), not how well they stay in tune.
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Phenex
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Posted - 2007/12/23 : 12:37:15
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Originally posted by michael_mansion:
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Originally posted by drivebye:
so you think that most vocals in songs are tuned?
i doubt that very much, i imagine most singers can sing in key with the backing and most singers can sing to the standard where its acceptable for release, with out touching a vocal tuner.
if not then i should hope the singer gives up.
vocals can be overdubbed again and again to fix small errors in vocal takes. this is the way i would produce a record, not using any old take and correcting it with tuners.
Well, I know that most songs sound much better when they're tuned. Once you have your first vocal session, I'm sure you will agree that tuning is quite necessary.
Getting a track to a point where it's "acceptable for release" is a subjective matter. It depends on what you're aiming for. Some people strive for perfection, some don't. And to be honest, sometimes perfection isn't necessary.
Regarding what you say about hoping "the singer gives up"...it's really quite funny you say that. Some of the best singers in the world never sing in tune. What makes them great singers is the character in their voice (inflection, accent, throat...etc), not how well they stay in tune.
I see someone has been doing their homework!
Michael is quite right about what he's saying and imo you should listen to him. Tuning has become the standard to the extent that almost nothing released today is untuned.
The reason most people will tune a song is because it feels stupid to waste a good take which really only has minor faults, if it sounds as good as it would when re-recorded. I mean, if you tune something and it doesn't _sound_ tuned, why would you re-take that? It's all about how it sounds. Although if it sounds tuned, then you should probably do a re-take.
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drivebye
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Posted - 2007/12/23 : 12:47:31
ok yea, i agree with what your saying!
it seems like a bit of an easy way out.. i mean.. i would rather capture the real talent and sound of the vocals... but i suppose auto tuning cant hurt!
and yea i agree, its what you hear that counts! and no one is going to know what production techniques have been used to correct things. and the overall mix is all that counts not each recording solo.
ive yet to venture into vocal recording, so i havent had chance to experiment. but im looking forward to it!
would you say that its the same with all vocal recording, no matter what genre of music?
and to finish: out of tune vocals make me cringe (and there are a few vocals in hardcore that i think are awful!) , so what software is there that i can start to get used to and get a feel for?
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Phenex
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Posted - 2007/12/23 : 14:15:29
Celemony Melodyne is the tool of choice for most producers for that task.
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drivebye
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Posted - 2007/12/23 : 15:58:10
thanks.. ill give that program a go... ive got some solo vocal tracks that i can mess around with.
Paramore being one
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michael_mansion
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Posted - 2007/12/23 : 16:51:20
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Originally posted by drivebye:
ok yea, i agree with what your saying!
it seems like a bit of an easy way out.. i mean.. i would rather capture the real talent and sound of the vocals... but i suppose auto tuning cant hurt!
and yea i agree, its what you hear that counts! and no one is going to know what production techniques have been used to correct things. and the overall mix is all that counts not each recording solo.
ive yet to venture into vocal recording, so i havent had chance to experiment. but im looking forward to it!
would you say that its the same with all vocal recording, no matter what genre of music?
and to finish: out of tune vocals make me cringe (and there are a few vocals in hardcore that i think are awful!) , so what software is there that i can start to get used to and get a feel for?
Cool man...I'm glad you see the light! Get Melodyne Studio Edition. It's well-worth the cash. If you need any help learning the program feel free to contact me. Always willing to help out Hardcore people.
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drivebye
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Posted - 2007/12/23 : 17:23:50
cool! thats good to know! ill give it a shot and most likely come back with plenty of questions
do u have a music myspace or anything like that?
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 Posted - 2007/12/23 : 23:54:35
It may take two months to read this whole thread,
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