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DJ_FunDaBounce
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 Posted - 2007/12/14 : 17:46:03
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Originally posted by michael_mansion:
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Originally posted by Ruffage:
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Originally posted by michael_mansion:
Why post raw vocals at all? The vox should be dry and fully-tuned. They shouldn't be eq'd either. Everybody should be using the exact same set of vocals.
Just my opinion.
Why must the vocals come tuned? Who's to say that whoever would be tuning them is doing it properly? Vocal editing/processing/mixing is a key element of production, and something that's severely lacking among the vast majority of hardcore producers. For people who are used to being lazy and dropping a pre-processed accapella into their tracks, they'd have two months to figure it out :)
If it were a remix, I could understand a more polished vocal being provided, but this is a production competition (so the name says anyway), so I think raw/bare bones is the way to go. But that's just me :D
Ruffage
I must say, Ruffage...you have a good point. There's something I have completely missed in this discussion:
Since this is a "Production Competition" every producer should be free to do anything he wants, even if that means recording his own vox and presenting any song he wants. (which I am in favor of, quite frankly)
So, the entrants into this competition should be required to do everything: songwriting, recording, producing, engineering, etc...now that's a production competition!!
If this were a "Remix Competition" (which it apparently isn't), then the vox should be provided fully-tuned and dry, ready to be placed in a mix.
So since this is a Production Competition, I think we should all just come armored with our own tracks. May the best track win!
This is just my opinion, by the way. Nothing serious.
-Mike
I think we're going around in circles.
a 12 page thread(so far!) just to get the rules down?
hmmm.
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Phenex
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 17:47:11
Yeah, Ruffage and Michael Mansion both make a lot of sense. I change my vote to untuned vocals :D
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 18:05:42
Cakes!
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Shades
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 18:29:43
I'm in...... if you can sort the rules out in time lol
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Serenity
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 18:35:59
I'm sure this will all be sorted when the final rules are posted. I just wanted to let the organizer know what I would be interested in seeing with the sample pack!  Another thought I had is that perhaps having a 3rd party edit the vocals before they're posted would help guarantee that both sets have a similar sound. That could be even better, since mic's, preamps, recording spaces, cabling, etc all influence the sound of a recording. (*looking in the direction of Ruffage*)
These are just ideas. I'm looking forward to this, and many thanks to ionosphere, treasure, and michael for providing vocals!
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Dain-Ja
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 21:32:26
if the vocals are untuned, I'm out
I don't have melodyne and I honestly have no idea how to use it
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djepi
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 21:53:33
Count me in. Can you PM me with the details when it starts? Ta.!
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Mansy
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 22:02:51
hey there, im up for this comp, can you please put my name down for it and pm me the details when its open, thanks very much
Mansy!!!
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Shades
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Posted - 2007/12/14 : 22:48:36
nice to see some HP users on the case 
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novaboy
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Posted - 2007/12/15 : 01:04:54
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Sure, count me in!
yo never knew you had a hhc.com account.
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/12/15 : 04:59:45
I very much disagree that everyone should be allowed to go and write and record whatever vocals they want with whoever though. Theres more than just production to do with getting you're own vocals done. That comes down more to who has the money and contacts tog et that done. Considering as there are a fair few people participating who are still at school, how is it fair that they have to find a way to pay for vocals?
Also why should any of this come down to spending money? I thought this was meant to be ' a bit of fun' and i think people are taking it a bit too seriously.
If someone doesnt have melodyne, thats hardly a reason for them to be disqualified from the contest consdiering its meant to be for people at ANY stage of production - how is it fair to include an equipment list to it then?
I frankly think its ******** that this is meant to be open for EVERYONE at ANY stage of production - and people are trying to get advantages over each other. No, just because YOU can get vocals done easily michael, does not mean thats fair. There are heaps of people here who dont have the contacts or money to - the actual singing and lyrics affect how good a song is GREATLY so why should you have an advantage when the singing aspect has nothing to do with production?
Everyone gets the same vocals, dry and a copy of pretuned and untuned so if you dont like the way its tuned you can do it yourself. Theres still a WHOLE lot more processing that needs to be done to vocals after tuning - that falls a lot better into the category of 'production'.
Everyone stop trying to get ahead of each other and realise that regardless of what level you're at - there are certain people who are just beginning production so why should they be at an automatic disadvantage? if it was a fair competition, the beginners would get an advantage.
/end rant.
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michael_mansion
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Posted - 2007/12/15 : 07:26:40
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Originally posted by Influx:
I very much disagree that everyone should be allowed to go and write and record whatever vocals they want with whoever though. Theres more than just production to do with getting you're own vocals done. That comes down more to who has the money and contacts tog et that done. Considering as there are a fair few people participating who are still at school, how is it fair that they have to find a way to pay for vocals?
Also why should any of this come down to spending money? I thought this was meant to be ' a bit of fun' and i think people are taking it a bit too seriously.
If someone doesnt have melodyne, thats hardly a reason for them to be disqualified from the contest consdiering its meant to be for people at ANY stage of production - how is it fair to include an equipment list to it then?
I frankly think its ******** that this is meant to be open for EVERYONE at ANY stage of production - and people are trying to get advantages over each other. No, just because YOU can get vocals done easily michael, does not mean thats fair. There are heaps of people here who dont have the contacts or money to - the actual singing and lyrics affect how good a song is GREATLY so why should you have an advantage when the singing aspect has nothing to do with production?
Everyone gets the same vocals, dry and a copy of pretuned and untuned so if you dont like the way its tuned you can do it yourself. Theres still a WHOLE lot more processing that needs to be done to vocals after tuning - that falls a lot better into the category of 'production'.
Everyone stop trying to get ahead of each other and realise that regardless of what level you're at - there are certain people who are just beginning production so why should they be at an automatic disadvantage? if it was a fair competition, the beginners would get an advantage.
/end rant.
The whole idea of people recording their own tracks...to me, that's just an idea that makes more sense in this context because this is a full-fledged production contest, not a remix contest.
I think if people on this board are asking for someone to do vocals, the person who records them should get compensated in some way, no matter how many connections they may or may not have.
I don't think anyone should be disqualified from participating in this contest just because they have limited software. In fact, less software is better!
I'm actually starting to like this idea of entrants getting two sets of vocals...intermediate producers can get acquainted with the vocal tuning aspect of production.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2007/12/15 : 08:30:19
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very much disagree that everyone should be allowed to go and write and record whatever vocals they want with whoever though.
What would be the point of that? Everyone does that all the time, the whole point here is that everyone uses the same so that there is some basis for comparison, thus making it a competition.
On a side note, it makes me laugh that tuned vocals is a standard that people have come to expect, whatever happened to singing properly to begin with?:P Auto-tuned vocals will never sound as good as plain good vocals to begin with!
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kuruption
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Posted - 2007/12/15 : 08:56:01
count me in!
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Future_Shock
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Posted - 2007/12/15 : 11:08:46
lol that was my point matt - that it is pointless. Notice i said i DISAGREED with it ;)
Anyway michael i think a remix competition tests out ones own production capabilities better than their own track anyway. It broadens the amount of options you have musically, and also throws you in the deep end because you know nothing about the vocals, havent written them yourself so you have no idea how they SHOULD be conveyed apart from how you interperet them.
If you wanna get down to technicalities then fine its a remix competition... but it DOES test your production so why isnt it a production competition? If you had to write your own track and own vocals id call that a composition contest not a production contest.
On a side note, this better handle entries better than the last HP contest. like 20 people entered, 4 people actually uploaded a track and 2 months after the deadline a winner wasnt decided and i just didnt bother uploading my track anymore.
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