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ferdik
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 Posted - 2004/10/05 : 12:42:36
I have a kick* and a bassound_ playing like this
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Even if they don´t play at same time I do think they interference with eachother. Any good eq tip to solve this?
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2004/10/05 : 16:16:18
I doubt that EQ'ing would solve that, you probably just have a problem of the kickdrum tail being too long, or something similar, is that your problem?
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ferdik
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Posted - 2004/10/05 : 16:26:23
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I doubt that EQ'ing would solve that, you probably just have a problem of the kickdrum tail being too long, or something similar, is that your problem?
No, they don´t collide. Just think they could be more separated. Is there any tip wich freq. to rise/lower in kick/bass to make them play in perfect harmoni?
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2004/10/05 : 20:54:54
Can you make an mp3 clip at all? I'm no expert or anything, but i'll still be able to tell yo weather EQ'ing would sort out the problem or not. But if it's a timing problem (as you said the kick and bass could be more seperated), i don't thinK EQ'ing will really make much difference.
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Seany
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Posted - 2004/10/05 : 21:33:23
Sound's like an EQ fix should do it. Try and get a clip up maybe. :)
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2004/10/06 : 13:47:09
If it's a few milliseconds out of time, then EQ can't change that, EQ can't change the timing, as far as i know :P
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mark shark
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Posted - 2004/10/06 : 14:07:41
quote:
Originally posted by ferdik:
I have a kick* and a bassound_ playing like this
*_*_*_*_
Even if they don´t play at same time I do think they interference with eachother. Any good eq tip to solve this?
how you doing buddy, am not very good but have been making tunes with my mate for about 6 months, The base line can be revurbed tio give more depth but you need a difinitive kick drum, sharp but deep, are you using reason, cubase ??? if you can adjust the pitch of the kick you'll find that the rythem will flow better too this is something i have just str=arted playing with :-) i hope this m,ay be some help :-)
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Seany
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Posted - 2004/10/06 : 14:39:31
Mark shark:You shouldn't Verb the Bass or kick as it can muddy up the mix.
Matt: I strongly doubt it has anything to do with timing as he say's.
Try compressing the Kick & Bass together, that should make them tighter.
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2004/10/06 : 15:10:30
I said timing, coz he said they could be thurther apart. Putting reverb on the kick is fine if you do it right, lots of people do it :)
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Woxxy
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Posted - 2004/10/06 : 22:53:21
putting reverbs on kicks is a nono in uk-hardcore.
i have yet to hear a song that makes it sound good
on the other hand it works great in gabba and psytrance.
you CAN use it in uk-hardcore, too, but then it should only be to announce a breakdown.
and after that, the kicks should play like normal.
K = Kick, R = Reverbed Kick, . = no note:
K.......K.......K.......K...K...R...............................K.......K.......K.......K...K...K
Enjoy ;)
PS: this is at 8 ticks per beat.
If you use 4 ticks per beat (which you shouldn't cause you need more accuracy in hardcore), then just take away every 2nd character :)
and to come back to your original question.
If it's a generated sound (eg. VST, plugin) then try to make the delay shorter.
If it's a sample, open it up in your favorite sample-program (which is Cool Edit Pro, right?) and cut off some of the end, and fade out the remaining kick, but only slightly.
this will make it sound determined.
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Seany
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Posted - 2004/10/08 : 04:24:28
Well then, like Live Reverb is a nono but a Sample with Verb on the kick is fine. :) As which is always the way it's done. :)
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Underloop
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Posted - 2004/10/08 : 11:24:53
If it is that the bass tail is too long and its just catching the kick you can either shorten the tail of the bass, or if its really necessary to have it that long you could side chain the kick into a compressor which sits on the bass channel. set it up so that when the kick sounds it "ducks" the bass...... or alternatively you can do a similar thing using a de-esser, where your only ducking a specific frequency, ie the frequency that is clashing.
Personally though, I would be looking at my choice of sounds if they are clashing in some way, ESPECIALLY if they aren't even sitting on the same beat
YAY this is my 1000th post.... it feels really good to have used it doing something useful rather than starting up a thread called "this is my 1000th post"
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mark shark
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Posted - 2004/10/08 : 13:37:55
i've made some nice kicks using the reverb, I use an audio splitter so i have the original kick on the top but a warmth under neath as long as you correct the levels (which takes ages you don't loose the orriginal kick and the revurb brings the bass line in, thats when i adjust the pitches, it takes ages but it does work  , I'm sure theres an easier way
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ferdik
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 Posted - 2004/10/20 : 10:44:32
Thanx for the usefull tips! Kickdrums is kind of tricky to sound right!
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Underloop
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Posted - 2004/10/20 : 12:05:08
another trick with reverb on kicks is if you set it up like Mark Shark said, ie 2 channels, one with dry kick on top, the other with the reverb "warmth" is to compress the reverb using the dry kick as a sidechain input. Change the settings so the reverb is pumping away, and this can sound quite nice and fattens up the overall drums no-end if done righjt!!!
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