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christgg
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 Posted - 2004/02/18 : 16:28:29
I am looking for some help from some science minded people. I have Stanton STR8-80 turn tables with 1.6kg/cm of torque. I am wondering if I take a drill or cutting tool and remove large portions of my platter(where the record rests) will it mess up the turntable speed. I am hoping to get a faster cue time.
Also please tell me if this is a totally stupid idea.
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Shade0
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 Posted - 2004/02/18 : 17:43:48
dont quote me on this. and dont cut your decks from my advice. But the way i see it is the torqqe is the power of the motor. And if you look at the fact that on any turntable after the motor has started it only ever spins at one speed. As you say will there be a speed difference i cant see there being much to worry about because thats what pitch control is for. Seek other advice though.
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milo
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Posted - 2004/02/18 : 19:55:33
not a good idea cutting the platter. if you cut it with any imperfection what so ever the weight distribution will no longer be even and you can kiss that motor, let alone whole turntable, goodbye. while removing the weight would give it a faster start time (stop to speed you want) how much fast do you really need it? also handling the record on the platter would be much more difficult because there wouldn't be any support under your record.
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Kyle_Buffrey
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Posted - 2004/02/18 : 20:16:10
The torque on those decks are equal to that of industry standard 1210s so you don't need any more torque anyway, I've never heard anyone say that the torque on Technics 1210s is too slow, BUT I have heard someone say that the start torque of Vestax PDX-2000 is too fast. (2kg/cm, I found the decks to be O.K though, but not as good as technics)
Anyway, you have perfectly fine amazing decks there, and the only good way to upgrade torque is probably to change the motor for a higher powered one (but it's just a deck, not a car) that would expensive to the point that you might as well buy a new deck.
And not much is known about stanton decks (they haven't been out long) in comparison to 1210s which have been modified for years (but there's never been a platter or torque upgrade ever to my knowledge.) so there's not many places for good advice.
Stanton decks are probably the only decks I have had a go on, that feel as solid as technics, If you don't f**k about with things like that, they'll last you ages. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Your idea isn't completely stupid though, Stanton themselves make slipmats with holes cut out of them , which reduces friction and therefore will allow to cue up and scratch faster. But that's only the slipmatts, not the f**king platter!
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Shade0
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Posted - 2004/02/18 : 22:13:09
why not just modify your technique to accomodate the cueing if its a problem
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christgg
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Posted - 2004/02/19 : 05:08:59
Thanks for all your input. I will leave the tables be. Next question is regarding the "personality" of records. I've got some records that cue really fast and they slip like crazy and they require very little push...and others(like the Scott Brown Picture Records) are the exact opposite. How can I standardize that.
Some rumour that sandpapering the hole is the way to go.
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Kyle_Buffrey
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Posted - 2004/02/19 : 12:14:36
Only ever sandpaper the hole it's so tight it doesn't fit on the spindle properly or something. The hole will get bigger with use anyway, and wear itself in. So once again, leave it be. And please do not risk it with picture discs.
If the hole on the record is too big, get little strips of paper and put them in the hole, till the hole is small enough.(roach material or the edges of sticky labels work best in my opinion.) I have to do this with my scratchplate as it's the only one I have and the hole is way too big. Also records will vary depending on the thickness of the vinyl, thicker records won't move as fast, but they have better sound quality.
You appear to be new to DJing, and you have STR8-80's as your first decks? I wish I had them decks as my first decks! If you are a new DJ (or even if you aren't) the best thing I can say is (it may sound really stupid) is pratice holding records, when I had my first belt drives I was learning to scratch and the record would always skip because I was heavy handed. Someone told me to be more delicate with my hands so I could do things with more control and because of this I got a lot better. And then I went on some direct drives and everything seemed so much easier!
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Posted - 2004/02/19 : 14:13:40
BIC medium Biro pen is the way to open the hole a little to stop it grabbing so tightly
stick the bic pen (writing end first) through the whole and push it until its tight... when tight slowly turn the record a number of times... then try it again the other way around...
as for the decks
I've been mixing on vinyl decks since around 92 and there is nothing like Technic 1210's in my opinion! between me and my friends we've used a number of turntables direct drive and belts but NOTHING is a sturdy as the technics (some will disagree and say vestax are but in the opinion of 5 DJ's who I know who have been mixing for years technics are the best - thats why 99% of clubs and raves have them!)
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Posted - 2004/02/19 : 14:37:19
you had a look at those Stanton ST/STR8 150s yet? they certainly ain't no plastic thing like Vestax at all. They're a bit pricey though.
I must admit I do prefer Technics to Vestax, I've played out at parties using both decks, and Technics are my preferred choice, reliable, no nonsense decks. The reverse button on Vestax is fun, but it has very little serious use. I hope the Mark 6 ones get that 16% pitch control that Mark5G Special editions have, when they are released. If I bought some mark 2s I wouldn't like to change the pitch control by myself. (but 8% is too small)
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christgg
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Posted - 2004/02/19 : 22:33:04
Those Stanton ST-150s look awesome...my friend has the top of the line vestax and when I use them, I have to put on one of those rubber finger thimbles to hold the record without it slipping out from my fingers.
To go on another tangent, I bought my STR8-80s in a bundle pack with a Stanton SK-6F mixer. They claim it to be a scratching mixer because it has a focus fader...aside from that, what makes a scratching mixer versus say the ST-301 which seems to be more of a techno/trance mixer.
Also this mixer seems to have a very bad time handling two songs mixing into each other. The songs cancel each other out and the volume gets really soft. Also the treble output is a big issue as in unless i turn it up to about 80% vs 50%(middle of the dial) I really cant hear any treble when mixing the records.
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Posted - 2004/02/19 : 23:08:29
i prefer to use strips of tape in the hole to make the spindle hold the record more snuggly
do you have your levels up too high maybe?
what makes a scratching mixer is usually a two chanel mixer with lots of options on the curves of your faders. they typically have reverse switches on the faders and you can replace the faders easily.
to give you an idea http://www.soundslive.co.uk/moreinfo.asp?ID=1805
that's what i own =P
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Posted - 2004/02/20 : 02:49:03
Ive got my master at about 3, my Gains at 5, and the channel volumes at 7 and it still does the canceling...what other options are there?
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Posted - 2004/02/20 : 03:25:00
the cancleing occurs when you're right on the dot for your mixs for the most part, try using the band eqs to prevent it like "switch" them when you want the sound to change from one to the other. for instance have one channel bass on normal while the second channel have it so it's half off, then switch them when ready to the opposite positions. i find that helps a bit.
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christgg
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Posted - 2004/02/20 : 04:59:56
so the canceling is essentially the mixer saying "Wow you are the greatest DJ ive ever seen! You can get your records so well beatmatched I'm embarassed to let people hear it for fear of offending any other DJs in the room."
I understand.
Thanks for the help.
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Posted - 2004/02/20 : 08:25:06
Canceling is called phasing out, it's not bad, it's telling your audience your right on the mark for your DJing, just turn down your one channels bass EQ to reduce it.
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Posted - 2004/02/20 : 17:36:35
thanks!
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