The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,486 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2021/05/03 : 06:47:12
Difficult to say for definite. As far as im concerned it died a good few years ago when I stopped going to raves. When I was younger, hardcore was such a huge part of my life and luckily for me it coincided with a huge wave of popularity at the time.
I associate the older tunes with times in my life and the memories of going mental to those tunes on a dance floor. Even if I hear a good new hardcore tune (not happened in a while btw) then it still doesnt do it for me the same way it would have back in the day.
As for the long term future I think fast music will always be around. As others have mentioned, people who like harder and faster music wont just disappear. The problem for hardcore, or certainly as most of us on here know it, is that there is too many other genres nowadays with bigger followings and people will go with that. Times have changed and the way people listen to music has changed massively so its going to be difficult.
Mickey Init Advanced Member
United Kingdom
770 posts Joined: Oct, 2012
Posted - 2021/05/03 : 09:01:41
They were saying the same thing in 1999 and here we are 22 years - and a global pandemic - later and we still have tunes being released weekly.
The thing with the hardcore scene is that it ebbs & flows, and when it?s on a downer people start to believe it's finished.
There have been times in the past where there's been a real confluence of activity from the majority of producers and DJs in the scene, and it feels great because there are several big things happening close together - events, comp releases etc. And then it dies down and not much happens for a while and it all feels a bit bleak.
The highs are amazing, the lows are pretty crap. And the highs happen once in a blue moon.
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Impulse_Response Advanced Member
United States
724 posts Joined: Jun, 2013
Posted - 2021/05/03 : 23:24:17
It looks to me like there are plenty of new releases but almost all of them are crap. Hardcore is dead to me only in that I almost never find anything I like.
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Jacco Average Member
Unknown
166 posts Joined: Mar, 2005
Posted - 2021/05/04 : 00:12:43
Neither surprised nor gutted. The mainstream end of the scene has never really supported new talent coming in. Years and years the same people at the big events. If you look at where Recon, Gammer ans Styles are now... They were always gonna move on to something bigger, more global. But their departure has left a void only few have managed to fill. Add on toxic shit like what happened to Sy and you have the perfect recipe for decline. YouTube tutorials have led to copy n paste producers that all sound the same. Barely any new face have developed their own sound.
Craigavon raver Advanced Member
Ireland
2,218 posts Joined: Sep, 2007
Posted - 2021/05/09 : 19:43:02
quote:Originally posted by possys2:
the joey riot bouncy techno style tracks are awesome.
Joey Riot / TLM / Audio Tantrum ?? Future Bouncy Techno EP - but nothing else i dont think has came out?
Yeah is pretty banging, very scott brown esque sounding from back in the day.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,178 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2021/05/09 : 20:45:30
quote:Originally posted by Jacco:
Neither surprised nor gutted. The mainstream end of the scene has never really supported new talent coming in. Years and years the same people at the big events. If you look at where Recon, Gammer ans Styles are now... They were always gonna move on to something bigger, more global. But their departure has left a void only few have managed to fill. Add on toxic shit like what happened to Sy and you have the perfect recipe for decline. YouTube tutorials have led to copy n paste producers that all sound the same. Barely any new face have developed their own sound.
tbh, Recon was always in other genres
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LeVzi Advanced Member
United Kingdom
944 posts Joined: Feb, 2019
Posted - 2021/05/25 : 06:46:06
I dont think its really a case of Hardcore staying alive, it will, it's just what form it will be alive in.
It will either stay as the boring crap that it is now, or it will evolve into something with energy.
The bouncy techno EP from Lethal Theory is the road i'd love to see it go down, because that's really got energy, but I don't think there are enough people left in the scene to even appreciate that era ,and how good it was. There are streams on facebook I keep getting tagged in and they play cheesecore. The 90's sound but the crap version.
I honestly dont know what form it will take but I can see the scene going on forever in one form or another, its just a shame its really lost its identity.
As i've said a million times before, the prime of the 90's scene was a North South split of bouncy techno vs happy hardcore. And they met in the middle and jesus that worked perfectly. That divide worked for 4 years, there were raves everywhere, every single weekend there was a party, there were weekly club nights for hardcore, and it never got tired. Drugs had fk all to do with it tbh, the scene was a family. The sanctuary was a place where you could walk in with hundreds of people from all over the UK, and actually remember them and know them like they were your mate. I have gone to the sanctuary alone from S Wales, and spend the night going nuts with the Kinetic crew, the diehard crew, rez crew, birkenhead mental bangers, even the london crews who werent into HHC as much as DnB, but we will had a blast. All over.
I dont think that's ever going to be possible to get back, but take aspects of that, I mean, look at that "meeting" they all had to slow down hardcore and change it. I think they need a similar meeting now to speed it up and make it harder. Has that ever happened in the UK in the last 20 years ? Not that I can remember.
Icewind Junior Member
Canada
127 posts Joined: Jun, 2013
Posted - 2021/05/25 : 19:54:50
Still plenty of people producing hardcore. I have a new track I'm almost done. Yeah the sound has gone through different phases, but to me, there are gems in almost every style of hardcore. I sure hope that the pitch bend/note slide "edm" sound is almost over, but even there I found some alright tracks.
...and as far as I'm concerned, the slowed down hardstyle fusion is not hardcore. Let's just call it what it is, hardstyle, and move on. Anything below 170 BPM is pushing it.
Just because the bigger names have not put out tracks at the same frequency doesn't mean that it's over. As long as some kid out there loves hardcore, which drives him to get his first cracked daw and starting experimenting with producing, hardcore isn't dead. That was me 13 years ago.
Vladel Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,520 posts Joined: Feb, 2008
Posted - 2021/05/26 : 19:37:32
At least there are alternatives, once upon a time i looked to freeform until that went awful. I've always been in and out of gabber and now I'm adding in frenchcore.
It has been worse before, I.E 2012 when everything sucked all at once.
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DJ_FunDaBounce Advanced Member
Colombia
2,023 posts Joined: Nov, 2001
Posted - 2021/05/31 : 02:49:13
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
Yall are being negative. It's survived this long. I'm pretty sure we've had this topic once every 5 or 10 years. People like fast music. As long as their are people who carry the torch, there will be core.
Was just listening to your toadette's mix #3 and thought that maybe an aspect that is lacking nowadays are good dj's.
To me the purpouse of a dj is to sift through all the stuff out there and just play out the gems.
Better dj's are better track selectors, imo.
That being said...
I like your style, warped candykid. ;)
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