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mrc
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 Posted - 2003/11/27 : 12:22:34
i gota say the all the previous re-mix's were pritty shitty (IMO) and i get so sick of 12yo girls singin shootin star die but its gota be helpin loads cuz of the revenue and it gives hardcore a bit of the limelight.
oh s*it man, what was i saying?
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Seany
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 12:49:33
imo this is a step to commercialisation ,their taking hardcore when its getting popular...... ..aslong as they just take force n styles with them 
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raverdave
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 14:40:17
Ultrabeat-feeling fine, yes it poo (so very poo!) but who cares, pop versions of these tunes arn't hurtin hardcore. Yes it's gonna make us angry when we hear our tunes being ruined and shite versions being played on radio BUT ITS HAPPENING, accept it.
Most people will never know these were originally hardcore tunes and are judging them on the versions they hear, the fact that most of them do so well in the charts can only be a good thing, shows how good the music we listen to really is.
Put yourselves in a propper trance heads shoes for minute, imagine how they feel about the 100's of THEIR tunes that hardcore has ripped, its just the circle of music, its the way it always has been!
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Seany
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 14:48:53
yeah well imo ,the trance heads dont care about the hardcore rips ,because they arent going into the charts and making it look like they done the original ,if you get me.......
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B.C
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 14:50:43
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DJ Mouse
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 15:42:42
so you guys are telling me that if you made a tune you're not gonna want it to go to the charts? even if it has to be a slowed down mix or whatever,people are going to buy it,getting to hear the best version (hardcore) like originally planned. look at it as a kick up the arse to get the hardcore version heard by a lot of people compared to how many hear it now.
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strychnine
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Posted - 2003/11/27 : 16:55:12
IMO bad non-hardcore remixes of hardcore songs don't hurt hardcore. If anything, bad hardcore remakes of hardcore songs do more damage than anything else.
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ganja-girl
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 Posted - 2003/11/28 : 03:20:01
i get well pissed off when i hear a good true hardcore classic playin on the f***ing radio because half the time they've made it shit. im not a dj but for f*** sake man your just ruinin the hardcore feelin when you hear a tune like your shinning you cant help it your up dancing your arse off and your loving it but then u hear sum shitty remix on the radio and almost wanna cry  it also really f***s me off when these jumped up teenie boppers r like yeh have you heard that new tune your shinning (or wotever tunes out at that time) and there like yeh man i love it its the best tune ive ever heard u just wanna tell em to **** off cuz its hardcore and always will be not no shitty trance remix. alot of people hear these hardcore tunes on the radio attend to say it was that releasin artist who dun the track wen it ****in ent. sorry if ive gone on i dont even no if it makes sense but i just need to say it!
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Seany
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 03:28:54
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it also really f***s me off when these jumped up teenie boppers r like yeh have you heard that new tune your shinning (or wotever tunes out at that time) and there like yeh man i love it its the best tune ive ever heard u just wanna tell em to **** off cuz its hardcore and always will be not no shitty trance remix.
yeah i agree with that ,i atleast think the hardcore artists should get some recognition for it :)
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djDMS
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 04:18:47
So Breeze & Styles releasing a trance version of their own tunes is wrong?
That's just silly.
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Kyle_Buffrey
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 04:28:45
If Hardcore is done at 135 BPM it isn't really hardcore is it?
I do not understand why they are producing commercial versions to tell the truth. Why the f**k can't kids learn to dance to the pace of hardcore? It's probably because of the fast food obesity problem.
Sarcasm aside, We must all not forget that Breeze, Styles & Force liscensed the tracks to AATW to be covered by Flip & Fill anyway. And Ultrabeat does produce proper hardcore under a different name as well.
But I really do not understand why no label has tryed to release a proper hardcore track on CD single in mass quantities, because certain tracks, such as the original of 'You're Shining' would probably get into the U.K top 40 easily, if not the top 10. Hardcore is still not considered to be a serious genre of music by some, but mass coverage may make people realise that it is a music genre that is just as good as house, trance , D'n'B e.t.c.
I can't thinking that that Breeze, Styles & Force will be well loaded, because they produce hardcore on Jelly & Raver Baby, Hardhouse on Nukleuz , and commercial s**te ,errmm... i mean dance music on AATW. Producing for 4 different labels must have good earning potential. I'm Jealous. They are just multi talented, I guess...
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jordanharkins
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 Posted - 2003/11/28 : 06:30:37
[quote]Originally posted by ganja-girl:
i get well pissed off when i hear a good true hardcore classic playin on the f***ing radio because half the time they've made it shit. it also really f***s me off when these jumped up teenie boppers r like yeh have you heard that new tune your shinning (or wotever tunes out at that time) and there like yeh man i love it its the best tune ive ever heard u just wanna tell em to **** off cuz its hardcore and always will be not no shitty trance remix.[quote]
I have to say i totally agree with this as i go f*****g mental whenever i here songs like heart of gold, field of dreams, eyeopener etc absolutely f*****g murdered by talentless c***s like flip and fill. They are only in it for the money and i hope breeze and styles arent going down that same way
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steve O
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 07:04:51
hardcore doesnt have the coverage that it shuld and the tunes shouldnt have to be remixed to slow dance remixs to get in the charts and i dont no how the producers dont realise that.Yeah sure wen they make a commercial dance remix it gains a new audience but it loses the proper hardcore audience coz they think it is shit. if they released PROPER hardcore choons in the chart then ALL the proper hardcore lovers would buy it and the producers wouldnt hav to make it sumthing its not. if u catch my drift. this argument will never be solved.EVER.
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dj-freedom
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 08:12:04
I definatly agree that most of the remixes are useless but the people involved have no problem with it and obviously see it doing some good, dont forget, people like force n styles n breeze have been involved with the scene for a long time and they seem to know what theyre doing.
About the names of the artists on the commercial release, now, if a band does a cover version of another artist's song, then they release it in their own right with the original writer also being credited as the songwriter, which is normally found in brackets under the song title.
Its exactly the same with the re-releases of the hardcore stuff, it credits P.Hobbs and D. Mew as the songwriters, none other than the great force n styles.
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Lixx
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Posted - 2003/11/28 : 08:27:11
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Originally posted by steve O:
hardcore doesnt have the coverage that it shuld and the tunes shouldnt have to be remixed to slow dance remixs to get in the charts and i dont no how the producers dont realise that.
I am this close to making a fat list of songs that hardcore heads wouldn't enjoy if they were still trance, but have been converted to hardcore and are now praised beyond understanding. Why does everyone have to slag off any incarnation of a hardcore tune that isn't at the "proper" speed? I don't get it. I for one will give props to the Ultrabeat crew. Sure the trance versions aren't as good as the original hardcore ones. Shouldn't we be thankful for that though? Isn't it better to know that the people who did it first, did it right, and everyone else is left to copy and emulate the greatness of the original work?
Who cares if it gets more chart time. If we really cared about that then we wouldn't be listening to hardcore would we? It's all about producers being recognized for the talents that they are, not shutting them off into this infallible, untouchable god-like phase of ascendence where they are superhuman beings who's name no one can speak without retribution. That's where it seems to be heading with all this whining and backwards appraisal. Can't you see the tables have turned a bit? We are now admired by the people who know what good music is. The masses will always be stupid, always be mindless sheep, but now the producers and label-heads are coming onto our side. Isn't that worth it? The indesputable answer to this is yes.
It's time to stop bitching. If you don't like the tune and you've managed to find this website, I'm absolutely sure you've got some hardcore you could put on instead. I however will enjoy all of it: the music, the proper recognition of the scene, the fact that I know what the music's true roots are and, unlike many of you, won't be talking out of my bunghole when someone new to the scene wants to discuss music. You guys should be fed up with this nonsense, because I sure am and I hardly ever have the time to check this site.
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