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Hard2Get
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 Posted - 2019/07/06 : 11:46:36
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
The remix Dual Illumination (Weaver Mix) could have actually saved the scene form it's demise had Sharkey allowed it. The lack of release for this and the original is a painful loss for the scene.
Pretty awesome tune though!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Xv9ZUCBcY
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Smoogie
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 Posted - 2019/07/06 : 15:09:46
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Xv9ZUCBcY
Quite cheesecore centric but not the same
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/07/06 : 20:05:27
The delusion on all sides is agonising.
Anyone who thinks Tweakacore means the genre is fine is willfully insane. That would be like claiming Dutch happy hardcore is fine because of Scooter in the late 90s. What was the last Stonebank hardcore release or set? Has everyone *actually* lost their minds 😂
UK scene is dead. We as a scene threw all our money and platform on the very artists being mooted as a solution to the problem they caused 🙄. International persists and has scope for growth. Music, past and present, still sells and streams but largely to a baked in audience. No one is *actually* doing anything, for the genre, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.
It's literally last chance saloon. Now or never. Back the people *doing* stuff, with a track record, and a plan for resurgence, or it's curtains. Not the 90s hairstyle. It's really that simple at this point.
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rafferty
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 00:42:25
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Originally posted by CDJay:
The delusion on all sides is agonising.
Anyone who thinks Tweakacore means the genre is fine is willfully insane. That would be like claiming Dutch happy hardcore is fine because of Scooter in the late 90s. What was the last Stonebank hardcore release or set? Has everyone *actually* lost their minds 😂
UK scene is dead. We as a scene threw all our money and platform on the very artists being mooted as a solution to the problem they caused 🙄. International persists and has scope for growth. Music, past and present, still sells and streams but largely to a baked in audience. No one is *actually* doing anything, for the genre, and pretending otherwise is disingenuous.
It's literally last chance saloon. Now or never. Back the people *doing* stuff, with a track record, and a plan for resurgence, or it's curtains. Not the 90s hairstyle. It's really that simple at this point.
CDJay
I'm not saying things are perfect. I was simply saying the fact people are still producing quality new Hardcore and some of the older producers are back with new productions means things are not all bad. Heard Hixxy play plenty of fantastic new Hardcore on Rinse FM.
I can see why things are bad for you cdjay with people not buying cds anymore when they can hear a mix for free anywhere.
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rafferty
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 00:53:19
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Originally posted by Smoogie:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7Xv9ZUCBcY
Quite cheesecore centric but not the same
Funny how you won't put a wager up hey. Knowing your full of crap with Hard House being more popular than Hardcore lol..
That Hard House reunion video said it it all with hardly anyone there.
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 05:48:25
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Originally posted by rafferty:
I'm not saying things are perfect. I was simply saying the fact people are still producing quality new Hardcore and some of the older producers are back with new productions means things are not all bad. Heard Hixxy play plenty of fantastic new Hardcore on Rinse FM.
I can see why things are bad for you cdjay with people not buying cds anymore when they can hear a mix for free anywhere.
Ooh, snarky 😂 Cds have little to do with it, our internal project sales are pretty much flat except now we have old skool catalogues and don't have to worry about putting out cds for other people. Appreciate your concern, though!
In your own way you're doing what u said; there is new stuff and the Hixxy show is a good thing indeed. Al is heavily active, and focusing one part of what you're saying. That's what needs supporting, though.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 06:18:37
Ah, but Hixxy has played some music.
And Darren Styles is playing festivals.
And Dougal might release a track once every 2 years.
Yawn!
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 07:28:55
Hixxy is playing a spread of music from the genre to potentially new audiences. More things like that and things could improve.
Edit: anyway, it's all subjective. Rafferty thinks commercial high visibility acts intermittently writing and playing the occasional genre linked track is the answer. I think having a load of committed producer /djs writing in genre is the answer. The truth is both would benefit each other a lot more if in any way linked. They aren't, though. Which is why we're having this conversation 😂
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CDJay
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 07:47:25
Continuing on that line of thought, did you know many of the higher profile DJs actively hiked their prices in 13/14 despite diminishing event attendances? The commercial aspect creeping in in the latter part of this decade actually meant that certain acts would take up over 50% of the entire DJ budget for a single set. This in turn meant that new talent (think: Mob/Jakka B/Macks Wolf/A.B/IYF etc) would get next to nothing. The glass ceiling definitively stayed in place but got lower, and anyone beneath it ends up fighting for scraps and sunlight. Then those same now too expensive sets end up priced out of any sane uk event line-up, and we're left with precisely sod all. Woo! Not that anyone learned; the same thing happened stateside straight afterwards.
Think back to all the vague promises we've heard over the past decade, off the back of the commercial link. What*exactly* has come true other than the richest getting richer, spending less time at the castle, and less time still caring about the local townsfolk and crops? 
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 08:26:03
When I hear someone mention new stuff, then Hixxy in the same sentence my heart sinks, as he is a problem in the scene, and always will be until someone puts him in a box. He was better when he just DJ'd, back in the day, he had a lot of peoples respect, he produced, and DJ'd that was it.
When I came back to the scene after a few years out he was monopolising it, Raverbaby, HTID, buying up everything, he was making as much profit from it as he could, wise business move, worse decision for the scene.
The scene is dead and buried as a) it costs too much to do anything in hardcore these days b) everyone sticks to the same formula of music, I only hear a couple of tracks that make me sit up and say , BOOM that did it, I think it's time to break out of the box and be experimental and try to find something new, be it popular or not. c) Events must be costly to attend, which is going to kill it anyway.
I don't want the scene to die off, I want to see it prosper again and things kinda find a way back to the 90's in feel but with a new breed.
I don't have any answers, all I see is the harder styles like frenchcore getting more n more linked to happy hardcore which I dont like, and the Hardcore scene in Europe going from strength to strength.
I dunno its 9am on a Sunday, and i'm rambling, but at least people like CDJay, who have a vested interest in the music , can speak what others try to say, and that's refreshing tbh.
Scott Brown released a remix of one of his tracks the other day, and it was awful, awful in the sense that was the same boring shit rehashed again, you cannot polish a turd FFS.
The 90's worked, remix every track from that era and lets have a party ! (Jk btw)
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Anon.
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 11:37:04
If its the jonny el remix of wakey wakey, then yes I heard it too. Shocking remix.
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 13:32:23
That's the one, was fking rubbish tbh, But I like Scott Brown and didn't wanna slam it on his facebook page, but it was utter gash.
Others started to slate it, and then you remember its SB's track originally, and kinda feel bad about slagging it off to him lol
I dont like a lot of modern stuff from SB but i got nothing but respect for the guy for what hes done prior.
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Anon.
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 14:12:26
I commented on the facebook page, but it wasnt aimed at him. This scene lacks originality and the music has gone soft.
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LeVzi
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 14:20:58
Not so Anon anymore ;) lol
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Anon.
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Posted - 2019/07/07 : 14:29:10
haha Couldnt think of a name when signing up here so thought **** it, anon it is.
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