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ronin
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 Posted - 2002/07/29 : 01:36:50
I heard something recently about the law in the states getting really tough on ecstasy in clubs and events, if the club shows ANY signs that it knows drugs are being taken ie: chillout rooms, bottled water or any reference to E in the name, they can be put out of business.
is this only a proposal or is this actualy happening?
what does this mean for the hardcore scene over there?
do you think that the uk and other countries will follow suit?
what should be done?
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Foxy
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Posted - 2002/07/29 : 02:46:40
I've also heard this-maybe our US friends could comment? I think this is an example of their presidents/Governments hardline short-sighted stance on everything. Anyone with comon sense realises drugs are going to be taken anyway, so water, chill-out rooms etc, are there for a reason (to stop people dehyrdrating/dying!) Our Government thankfully seems to realise that a progressive stance is needed & seems to be encorouging clubs to, while not advertise as such, but to let people know that they can have support if need (EG: club staff have to now go for drugs related frst aid courses etc.) PS-Doesnt this hardline US stance directly conflict with their "freedom of speech" etc?
PPS-I do not mean to offend any US citizens & would welcome your viewpoint as I realise my view may clash with your own, this is merely my opinion.
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joltzy
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Posted - 2002/07/29 : 10:28:17
I think someone said it did not pass. So i think were ok.But Pittsburgh as of now(were i live) has no scene do to the cops shuting all the partys down.
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luckEanjel
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Posted - 2002/07/29 : 11:50:17
alright... well I dont really know whats law and whats not in other states but I know that there pretty much is NO scene left in michigan cept for ghettto raves in detroit (no offense to those from detroit). All b/c the cops and the government are ***** up *******s... supposedly there is a law that makes raves and any suspitious activity illegal.... so I am guessing that means that if clubs show suspitious activity they are pretty likely to get shut down or get a big ass fine... I used to go to this club in k-zoo but now its is a bingo hall due to durg activity! That jus pisses me off! I gotta get outta the US!
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Jaide
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Posted - 2002/07/29 : 14:01:30
I guess we're pretty lucky here, because St. Louis still has a fairly active scene. Not a great one, mostly new kids under 17.. but atleast it's not completely gone.. yet. I've even see a few cops go crazy and let a bunch of kandy kids deck them out in bracelets and bright colors.. that was.. umm odd to say the least. But it's an improvement from this time last summer when they came running over a hill complete with guns drawn, riot squad, and a few paddy wagons to bust up one of our parties "because they thought raver's would become out raged and begin throwing fire bombs at them." you'd think we were coming under attack in a war or something. I guess they were really upset when they only made 3 drug related arrests or any kind of arrest in general, because they decided to do a full out search destroying everything in thier path. I remember hearing one officer say "search everything, we have to find something!"...everyone's rights were brutally raped that night!.. it's surprising that a scene can live through that kinda drama. hmm.. I still say UNDERGROUND is where it's at!
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qconnects
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Posted - 2002/07/29 : 18:58:17
Taken from www.anabolic-frolic.com:
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The Senate is considering legislation that would give federal prosecutors new powers to shut down raves or other musical events they don't like and punish business owners for hosting or promoting them. The bill (S, 2633), also known as the Reducing American's Vulnerability to Ecstasy Act (RAVE Act), is moving very rapidly and could be considered by the full Senate as early as this week. (A similar bill is also pending in the House.)
S. 2633, sponsored by Senators Durbin (D-IL), Hatch (R-UT), Grassley (R-IA) and Leahy (D-VT), expands the so-called "crack house statute" to allow the federal government to fine or imprison businessmen and women if customers sell or use drugs on their premises or at their events. Property owners, promoters, and event coordinators could be fined hundreds of thousands of dollars or face up to twenty years in federal prison if they hold raves or other events on their property. If the bill becomes law, property owners may be too afraid to rent or lease their property to groups holding hemp festivals or putting on all-night dance parties, effectively stifling free-speech and banning raves and other musical events.
The new law would also make it a federal crime to temporarily use a place for the purpose of using any illegal drug. Thus, anyone who used drugs in their own home or threw an event (such as a party or barbecue) in which one or more of their guests used drugs could potentially face a $250,000 fine and years in federal prison. The bill also effectively makes it a federal crime to rent property to medical marijuana patients and their caregivers, giving the federal government a new weapon in its war on AIDS and cancer patients that use marijuana to relieve their suffering.
Health advocates worry that the bill will endanger our nation's youth. If enacted, licensed and law-abiding business owners may stop hosting raves or other events that federal authorities don't like, out of fear of massive fines and prison sentences. Thus, the law would drive raves and other musical events further underground and away from public health and safety regulations. It would also discourage business owners from enacting smart harm-reduction measures to protect their customers. By insinuating that selling bottled water and offering "cool off" rooms is proof that owners and promoters know drug use is occurring at their events, this bill may make business owners too afraid to implement such harm-reduction measures, and the safety of our kids will suffer.
The RAVE Act punishes businessmen and women for the crimes of their customers and is unprecedented in U.S. history. The federal government can't even keep drugs out of prisons, yet it seeks to punish business owners for failing to keep people from carrying drugs onto their premises. If this bill passes, federal authorities will have the ability to scare business owners away from using or renting their property for all-night dance events, as well as any other "politically incorrect" event.
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I'm not positive if this bill has been passed, I assume not as I haven't heard that it was, and I'm sure the net would be abuzz if it were. However, things such as this are going to destroy the scene and ultimately the rights of anyone in the country, ravers or not if nothing is done! I'm right pissed about this sort of crap... arrgh...
Luckily I live in Canada and the worst thing that happens is a party gets busted and the kids get sent home, or a few officers are present at a massive, so I can't complain!
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luckEanjel
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Posted - 2002/07/29 : 19:37:47
I jus think its a bunch of bull schit that they call it the Reducing Americas Vulnerability to Ecsatcy act...wtf is that... if kids that go to raves are there fro the drugs and raves become illegal then they will still do the drugs, jus at their house! but whatever, what I say doesnt make a difference!
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Jaide
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Posted - 2002/07/29 : 20:30:16
this RAVE act won't stop the underground, it'll take out a good chunk of the legal raves i'm sure, but those determined to party.. will party. i'm not worried. yay underground!
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joltzy
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Posted - 2002/07/29 : 21:16:22
If you go to happyhardcore.org im pretty sure theres a post saying the bill didnt get passed.
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luckEanjel
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Posted - 2002/07/30 : 10:15:30
jus b/c that bill didnt get passed doesnt mean the government ****s arent going to fight to get numerous other bills against raves passed...
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kBud
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Posted - 2002/08/01 : 09:50:53
I wouldn't worry about the government, especially here in the US. They can never get anything accomplished anyways. Plus, I'm sure they'd be outnumbered by fiesty party kids.:)
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luckEanjel
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Posted - 2002/08/01 : 10:27:14
lol yea I should prolly look at it in a positive way instead of such a negative way!
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Brian K
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Posted - 2002/08/01 : 14:01:17
yeah but it's that kind of attitude that lets things things slip by and get passed, we need to let the politicians know the score now. we've already got hitler for president so we need to watch out and vote against the facist big wigs...
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Foxy
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Posted - 2002/08/02 : 01:35:25
Not my country-but if its anything like ours then the feisty party kids dont vote!
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ronin
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Posted - 2002/08/02 : 03:05:59
i'm glad to hear that this ridiculous idea hasn't been passed and hopefully it never will.
shuting down a music event to solve the drug problem is like shooting a guy to fix his broken toe.
don't go down without a fight!
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Charco
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Posted - 2002/08/02 : 06:42:04
....just shows the sad fact that every a55hole around connects "rave" with "drugs"??? wtf??? i guatentee there would be more drug users in a club that plays jungle, hip-hopy kinda music?!?!?!?
what has the world got against happy hardcore????????
i, myself, have never used drugs of any sort. i despise drugs..not the users, and i hate the way governments look at things in only one point of view..i.e.
Q) Raves = Drugs
A) Bann all Raves
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what about all the drugs being used everywhere else?? and whatever happened to everyones rights to be free???? surely if somone wants to use drugs..its THEIR bloody opinion to!!!!!! Not much point in using the word freedom if everything you want to do has to be interrupted by the "government"???
-- thats my opinion anyway --
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